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The pain of being These People
Swenani
#181 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:46:14 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Many people from Central really don´t care who is the president. However, towards the 2007 elections, RAO had demonised Okuyus so much ,to a point of Okuyus getting scared of his presidency. As long as RAO is around, expect central to vote one of their own. it is that simple. They are not willing to have the same fate like jews had in Germany


Hapo umesema. Inaitwa siege mentality.The 40 vs 1 strategy scared the Okuyus to the core!
As I have stated before, RAO is the reason why many people vote.



Many of us who are not even Okuyus but have one parent who is an Okuyu, decided to vote henceforth for an Okuyu for fear of what may befall one part of our parent.


what a lame inexcusable excuse!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
PeterReborn
#182 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:53:17 PM
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harrydre wrote:
washiku wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
Impunity wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
So Uhuru has cancelled the public barazas with these people because the ground is hostile.Applause Applause He needs to go back to kisumu and get his votes from there.He will lose next years elections not because these people will vote for Risasi but because they will refuse to vote for him.Nothing tangible on the ground.


The day these people will see sense and not vote for UK, I will eat my shoes!

There is a lot of voter apathy.How many people have taken voters cards in central vs nyanza/western?The people of central are tired of being used as voting machines.Voting for people who dont give a f*** about the needs of the people.


Wait until RAO-Phobia is unleashed.


As long as RAO is running, they will always vote against him! Note that UK was never popular until he run against R1. The ground is hostile because UK seems to bow to R1's rants all the time. Waiguru is an example.

Nope.The ground is hostile because the people are living in deplorable conditions and yet 'they are in the government'.The president is dishing out the goodies to those who didn't vote for him like in Mombasa,nyanza& western and nothing for central.They feel they are being taken like used condoms.Look at the state of the roads.

Consistency is better than intensity
Alba
#183 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:59:18 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Many people from Central really don´t care who is the president. However, towards the 2007 elections, RAO had demonised Okuyus so much ,to a point of Okuyus getting scared of his presidency. As long as RAO is around, expect central to vote one of their own. it is that simple. They are not willing to have the same fate like jews had in Germany


I need to be informed and educated as I do not follow politics very closely. How did RAO demonize kikuyus?

As I recall, during the 2005 referendum campaign, RAO and UK were on the same side and campaigned together. I even remember them attending many harambees and rallies together.
PeterReborn
#184 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:03:25 PM
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Alba wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Many people from Central really don´t care who is the president. However, towards the 2007 elections, RAO had demonised Okuyus so much ,to a point of Okuyus getting scared of his presidency. As long as RAO is around, expect central to vote one of their own. it is that simple. They are not willing to have the same fate like jews had in Germany


I need to be informed and educated as I do not follow politics very closely. How did RAO demonize kikuyus?

As I recall, during the 2005 referendum campaign, RAO and UK were on the same side and campaigned together. I even remember them attending many harambees and rallies together.

Uhuru is not Okuyus and Okuyus is not Uhuru.Not yet UhuruSad
Consistency is better than intensity
Alba
#185 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:11:07 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:

Uhuru is not Okuyus and Okuyus is not Uhuru.Not yet UhuruSad


I think you just made an excellent point. So lets take this a step further. If RAO criticized Kibaki, does this mean he is demonizing kikuyus?
I am still curious to find out how exactly RAO demonizes kikuyus. Education please.

Alba
#186 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:39:19 PM
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In the 1960s, Kenyatta and Oginga were friends. The British wanted Oginga to be president. They thought Kenyatta would be bad. I believe the governor referred to Kenyatta as "The leader unto hell"

Oginga so believed in Kenyatta that he refused the British offer and insisted that Kenyatta must be released and become the 1st president.

Shortly after independence, the two fell out because Oginga accused Kenyatta of being a land grabber. Kenyatta retaliated by firing Oginga and convincing kikuyus that Oginga was trying to prevent the Agikuyu from being prosperous.

Agikuyu believed Kenyatta and Oginga became the most hated person in central province. With Oginga sidelined, Kenyatta was able to continue with his land grabbing scheme, removing kikuyus and resettling them in Nakuru or Nyandarua.

This is the root of hostility between kikuyus and luos. Things only got worse when Tom Mboya was gunned down in broad daylight.

Since there is so much hostility there, it is very easy even today for leaders to create distrust between the two groups if it will benefit them. They do this by demonizing other leaders. And even so called educated elites fall for it.

History keeps repeating itself. Even today, Kenyan tribal chiefs are busy turning people against each other so they can prosper.

Our leaders have succeed in convincing us that criticism against a tribal chief is criticism against the entire tribe. This allows the tribal chiefs to continue looting . Look at Ruto with the Mau complex land grabbing scheme. He was grabbing land near water towers. When accused he shouted that RAO has betrayed the kalenjin. many believed him. Such is the power of a tribal chief. IN RV especially, people have been conditioned to belive that the prosperity of their leaders is paramount to the success and pride of the people.

Its a shame because in Kenya today, everyone has a relative who belongs to another ethnic group. If you are kikuyu, chances are that you have a luo relative. If you are a luhya, chances are that you have a Kalenjin relative. And so forth.
And when a tribal chief prospers via land grabbing or looting, the people he leads don't actually benefit. Some even become poorer. Some who are displaced end up living in hostile regions.
kaka2za
#187 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41:49 PM
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The rain started beating us after 2005 referendum.
Actually, there was bound to be bloodshed in 2007 regardless of who won. The political environment was poisoned and we are yet to cure that.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Alba
#188 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:31:23 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
The rain started beating us after 2005 referendum.
Actually, there was bound to be bloodshed in 2007 regardless of who won. The political environment was poisoned and we are yet to cure that.


The perception of being beaten by rain is because We have just been lied to by our leaders.

The 2005 referendum was a rejection of a bad constitution. Uhuru Kenyatta was also was against the 2005 constitution. And even Kibaki later admitted that it was bad.

How did people end up believing that the
rejection of the 2005 constitution was a move against kikuyus?
The answer is people were lied to by their leaders.

As Kenyans we should be united against corruption and bad leadership. The average peasant of middle class fellow does not benefit when a person from their tribe steals. When anyone steals from the government, we all lose. Yet our leaders have conditioned us to believe that criticism of a tribal chief is a criticism of the whole tribe. This is what enables them to loot the treasury and grab land with abandon. They know they can depend on their tribe to support them.
kaka2za
#189 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:58:09 PM
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Alba wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The rain started beating us after 2005 referendum.
Actually, there was bound to be bloodshed in 2007 regardless of who won. The political environment was poisoned and we are yet to cure that.


The perception of being beaten by rain is because We have just been lied to by our leaders.

The 2005 referendum was a rejection of a bad constitution. Uhuru Kenyatta was also was against the 2005 constitution. And even Kibaki later admitted that it was bad.

How did people end up believing that the
rejection of the 2005 constitution was a move against kikuyus?
The answer is people were lied to by their leaders.

As Kenyans we should be united against corruption and bad leadership. The average peasant of middle class fellow does not benefit when a person from their tribe steals. When anyone steals from the government, we all lose. Yet our leaders have conditioned us to believe that criticism of a tribal chief is a criticism of the whole tribe. This is what enables them to loot the treasury and grab land with abandon. They know they can depend on their tribe to support them.


I am convinced that you don't live in Kenya. If you were in Kenya between 2005 -2007 you would have felt the tension. The referendum was not the issue the aftermath was critical.The winners were ready to vanquish the enemy in 2007.Uhuru who had been in the Orange team soon realised the game had changed and he bolted.
Referendums in Kenya have little to do with the issue at hand.They are used for political posturing. Ruto said as much in 2010. He didn't necessarily have anything about Katiba but it was perfect opportunity to establish his political base.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
kaka2za
#190 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:00:31 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Alba wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
The rain started beating us after 2005 referendum.
Actually, there was bound to be bloodshed in 2007 regardless of who won. The political environment was poisoned and we are yet to cure that.


The perception of being beaten by rain is because We have just been lied to by our leaders.

The 2005 referendum was a rejection of a bad constitution. Uhuru Kenyatta was also was against the 2005 constitution. And even Kibaki later admitted that it was bad.

How did people end up believing that the
rejection of the 2005 constitution was a move against kikuyus?
The answer is people were lied to by their leaders.

As Kenyans we should be united against corruption and bad leadership. The average peasant of middle class fellow does not benefit when a person from their tribe steals. When anyone steals from the government, we all lose. Yet our leaders have conditioned us to believe that criticism of a tribal chief is a criticism of the whole tribe. This is what enables them to loot the treasury and grab land with abandon. They know they can depend on their tribe to support them.


I am convinced that you don't live in Kenya. If you were in Kenya between 2005 -2007 you would have felt the tension. The referendum was not the issue but the aftermath was critical.The winners were ready to vanquish the enemy in 2007.Uhuru who had been in the Orange team soon realised the game had changed and he bolted.
Referendums in Kenya have little to do with the issue at hand.They are used for political posturing. Ruto said as much in 2010. He didn't necessarily have anything against Katiba but it was perfect opportunity to establish his political base.

Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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