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#341 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:25:32 AM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Before the new stupid katiba, there was no provision of dual citizenship. Therefore when miguna took up Canadian citizenship he automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship. After the new katiba, him being a Canadian citizen, he got a chance to regain his Kenyan citizenship but this was to be done through application. He never applied and therefore he remains a Canadian citizen. Now, even if he applies for Kenyan citizenship he won't get it because he is a Canadian mercenary who has committed a capital offence against Kenya. Also the govt should confiscate all his property in Kenya, including his house at 486 Runda meadows since he is an enemy of the state.

How correct is this image:

that's the law... if someone has no interest in your "precious" citizenship and gave it up a long time ago - you cannot 'FORCE' him/her to be your citizen just because you passed a law. What if his/he current citizenship does not allow him/her to be a dual citizen? what if he/she can lose his/her newly found citizenship based on being a citizen of another country? you must accord people the courtesy to apply for themselves if they are interested.

Agreed. APPLICATION rationale in the law now makes sense
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#342 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:43:41 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Swenani
#343 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:47:34 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here


read to understand not to respond.

Quote:
Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Gathige
#344 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:51:35 AM
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Posts: 2,242
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.



Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers
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Ngalaka
#345 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:53:59 AM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here


read to understand not to respond.

Quote:
Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons


Cherry picking... again!



Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together.

A little honesty wont hurt.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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#346 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:55:55 AM
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Article by The Standard in April 2012
Quote:

Published Thu, April 12th 2012 at 00:00, Updated Thu, April 12th 2012 at 00:00 GMT
By Chris Wamalwa in USA Kenyans in the Diaspora who acquired citizenship of other countries before the promulgation of the New Constitution must apply to regain Kenyan citizenship. The Constitution Implementation Commission Mr Charles Nyachae told a meeting attended by Kenyans living in Canada that majority of them assume that they regain citizenship due to the Dual Citizenship clause "According to the constitution, the moment you acquired citizenship of another country (before August 2010), the operational piece of the constitution kicked in and you automatically lost your Kenyan citizenship making you a "foreigner" in your own country," said Nyachae, chairman of CIC.

Read more at: https://www.standardmedi...hip-shocker-for-diaspora
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#347 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:01:08 PM
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Gathige wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.



Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers

True!
Even Obama, one of the best US presidents executed lots of deportations.

The long and short of it is that each jurisdiction have their ways of dealing with deportation matters.

We have heard cases where the point at which such an immigrant is nabbed, he is rushed straight to the nearest airport leaving all their earthly belongings there. This has befallen many of our brethren out there.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Swenani
#348 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:06:08 PM
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Posts: 13,237
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Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here


read to understand not to respond.

Quote:
Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons


Cherry picking... again!



Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together.

A little honesty wont hurt.


Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on?

Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally?

In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from.
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Ngalaka
#349 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:18:19 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here


read to understand not to respond.

Quote:
Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons


Cherry picking... again!



Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together.

A little honesty wont hurt.


Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on?

Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally?

In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from.

Each jurisdiction have their own way of executing deportations.
UK's is not the same as US'.
But both have options of executing deportations without reference to the Courts. Immigration officials determine by themselves and proceed to deport.

The cherry picking case;
In the US as per your link persons who have already been residing in the US for are subject to expedited deportation.

Quote:
In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from

That's only one instance in the US. There are other situations where expedited removal applies. Read your link!!!!!

And btw we dont have to copy USA way to the letter.
Kenya has her own way of doing things.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Swenani
#350 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:28:15 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here


read to understand not to respond.

Quote:
Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons


Cherry picking... again!



Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together.

A little honesty wont hurt.


Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on?

Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally?

In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from.

Each jurisdiction have their own way of executing deportations.
UK's is not the same as US'.
But both have options of executing deportations without reference to the Courts. Immigration officials determine by themselves and proceed to deport.

The cherry picking case;
In the US as per your link persons who have already been residing in the US for are subject to expedited deportation.

Quote:
In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from

That's only one instance in the US. There are other situations where expedited removal applies. Read your link!!!!!

And btw we dont have to copy USA way to the letter.
Kenya has her own way of doing things.




What was the purpose of this argument again?

Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.



If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Ngalaka
#351 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:39:50 PM
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Posts: 1,566
duplication
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Ngalaka
#352 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:41:21 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.


The US of A

Quote:
People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest.


UK

Quote:
If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.

You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.

If your evidence is rejected you can:

appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.

If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.

Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.

An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:

you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you.




Please be a little more honest!
The links you provided put paid to your case!
Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective

In the case of USA
there is what they call expedited removal.
Quote:
Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process.

And that's ^^ from your link.

The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here


read to understand not to respond.

Quote:
Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons


Cherry picking... again!



Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together.

A little honesty wont hurt.


Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on?

Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally?

In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from.

Each jurisdiction have their own way of executing deportations.
UK's is not the same as US'.
But both have options of executing deportations without reference to the Courts. Immigration officials determine by themselves and proceed to deport.

The cherry picking case;
In the US as per your link persons who have already been residing in the US for are subject to expedited deportation.

Quote:
In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from

That's only one instance in the US. There are other situations where expedited removal applies. Read your link!!!!!

And btw we dont have to copy USA way to the letter.
Kenya has her own way of doing things.




What was the purpose of this argument again?

Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.




That in principle;
Jurisdictions around the globe deport without going through court processes.
The manner of doing it differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
The common denominator is the administration does it all by itself in those instances.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
FRM2011
#353 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:00:06 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
Ngalaka wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.



Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers

True!
Even Obama, one of the best US presidents executed lots of deportations.

The long and short of it is that each jurisdiction have their ways of dealing with deportation matters.

We have heard cases where the point at which such an immigrant is nabbed, he is rushed straight to the nearest airport leaving all their earthly belongings there. This has befallen many of our brethren out there.


Wrong descriptive. Most liked, yes. Popular, yes. Best president ? He can't even make the top 10.
Ngalaka
#354 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:21:49 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
FRM2011 wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.



Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers

True!
Even Obama, one of the best US presidents executed lots of deportations.

The long and short of it is that each jurisdiction have their ways of dealing with deportation matters.

We have heard cases where the point at which such an immigrant is nabbed, he is rushed straight to the nearest airport leaving all their earthly belongings there. This has befallen many of our brethren out there.


Wrong descriptive. Most liked, yes. Popular, yes. Best president ? He can't even make the top 10.

There has been 45 presidents in the US.
I maintain, Obama is one of the best.
I do not know that he cant make the top 10, but even assuming he doesn't, would being in the top 12, or 14 still qualify him to being one of the finest the US has had?
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
masukuma
#355 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 2:18:29 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
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Location: Nairobi
I am gonna say this ONCE... (ok maybe not once)

Let me quote Dr. Oginde
Quote:
If the Opposition shot itself on the foot, the Government seems to be aiming for its own head.


Remember Comrade Bob? He did something stupid juzi that changed his who life... his Grace turned him into a DISGRACE. No one knows where he is these days - just like that... forgotten... HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT... BUT IN HIS ARROGANCE HE DID!! Now look!!

Again... don't think because something is stupid - it won't attract large numbers of people.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Ngalaka
#356 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 3:24:00 PM
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For clarification purposes Miguna will eventually get his Kenyan Citizenship reinstated.

He may very well be required to formerly apply for the same, following which the administration will be required to so recognise him and issue him with the requisite docs.

In the event the administration refuses to do so, if Miguna petitions the court he will have his way in his regard – court orders for restoration of his citizenship.

Viewed from this angle, the administration started a war that they can only win some battles but ultimately will eventually lose the war.

But there is also another view;

- Prior to his arrest Miguna acted and talked recklessly including declaring himself a general in NRM a body/movement that has presented itself as a pseudo military outfit.

It did not help matters for him that even after the said NRM had been proscribed after being declared a terrorist body, he defiantly and blatantly continued to associate himself with it and generally act as though he were a law unto himself.

In my view such conduct should not be let to take root especially that there is a large proportion of the Country that would think it is in order.
A government has a duty to make sure that South Sudan or Congo situations dont happen here. By letting fellows act as Miguna was, as well as the oathing group is to create fertile ground for rebel idea to nurture.

Truth be told without deterrent some of these characters can orchestrate a civil unrest.
In that case, it may be a lesser evil to check these characters in time rather than wait until many Lives end up being lost and some people in refugee or IDP camps!

I say these things as a patriot, and not one who is overly and unduly concerned with political correctness of issues- as long as it represents the greater good.

All said and done there is no alternative to following the law and above all obeying court orders.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
alma1
#357 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 4:18:11 PM
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d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

I still can't believe how telling an african to back to a white man's country is considered political aptitude.

Next time someone in those offices thinks of doing something they should ask.

"WHAT WOULD KIBAKI DO?"
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Fullykenyan
#358 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 4:18:39 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people.



Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers

True!
Even Obama, one of the best US presidents executed lots of deportations.

The long and short of it is that each jurisdiction have their ways of dealing with deportation matters.

We have heard cases where the point at which such an immigrant is nabbed, he is rushed straight to the nearest airport leaving all their earthly belongings there. This has befallen many of our brethren out there.


Wrong descriptive. Most liked, yes. Popular, yes. Best president ? He can't even make the top 10.

There has been 45 presidents in the US.
I maintain, Obama is one of the best.
I do not know that he cant make the top 10, but even assuming he doesn't, would being in the top 12, or 14 still qualify him to being one of the finest the US has had?

Well said!!
Sansa
#359 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 7:04:02 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:


We have heard cases where the point at which such an immigrant is nabbed, he is rushed straight to the nearest airport leaving all their earthly belongings there. This has befallen many of our brethren out there.


Hmm ... people who I've heard being deported immediately are those that are refused entry at the point of entry e.g. the airport. They are questioned then put on the next flight back.

The ones who are caught within the U.S. at home, work, traffic stop etc., are usually held in immigration jails, go through an immigration court and may then be deported or allowed to stay depending on their case but that takes a while.

However, there are some people who after going to immigration court are let out on bail as their case progresses. Sometimes the case is denied and they are ordered deported but don't turn themselves in so in such a case if I.C.E gets hold of you anywhere they are just taking you to the airport unceremoniously.
hardwood
#360 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 7:16:27 PM
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alma1 wrote:
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

I still can't believe how telling an african to back to a white man's country is considered political aptitude.

Next time someone in those offices thinks of doing something they should ask.

"WHAT WOULD KIBAKI DO?"


This Miguna dog is lucky that it was allowed to go and bark in the white man's canada. It is supposed to be dead by now after facing the firing squad for treason.
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