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Lolest! wrote:we keep going back to this @266. Jesus FULFILLED the law!! He did things that were unlawful on the Sabbath. He came to us with a greater law of worshipping him in spirit and in truth. You have to not just avoid outward sin eg adultery but must avoid getting your inner self dirty eg lustful thoughts. Anyone guilty of lust is guilty of the sin of adultery! If Jesus' higher standards were followed, probably everyone could've been stoned to death hapo!! All you have said is right.. Jesus gave us a way attain the best place in heaven! That does not change the fact that the law of Moses can be applied without fear of Hell.. Jesus said those who harshly enforce the law would attain the least of heaven... The least of heaven is still heaven in case you didn't know! Mark 12:29
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:@Admin, close this thread.  The same people who started a thread to insult Islam now want it closed! Is it because you have just discovered Christ was a Prophet and servant of the one true God?? Mark 12:29
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:John 14: 13-14 shows us who we pray to and through. You can pray to Christ the prophet in peace just as long as you please leave Islam and Muhammad out of your inferiority complexes and envy! Mark 12:29
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guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:@Admin, close this thread. The same people who started a thread to insult Islam now want it closed! Is it because you have just discovered Christ was a Prophet and servant of the one true God?? Hardly. It's because it is to no avail. That you enjoy this kind of discourse is no surprise. It is why where there is your kind of people, peace flys out the window.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I doubt if exchanging verses can help because such activity assumes an intersection of propositions and arguments between the Islamic and Christians. But that isn't necessarily the case. 'Similarity isn't congruence'.
That is, the above exchange of verses is certain to end in 'despair' because it's incorrect thinking.
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:It seems muslims are spoilt for choice. Or is it contradictions. Not only here but in other themes as well.
1. One will righteously proclaim "Peace" while the other also righteously proclaim "Jihad".
2. One will righteously proclaim "no intercessor" while the other also righteously proclaim "intercessor"
3. Another will righteously proclaim "No compulsion" while the other also righteously proclaim "murtid".
Contradictions. Choice. Stop trying to twist. Don't yearn to having final say. MUSLIMS DON'T PRAY THROUGH SOMEONE TO REACH ALLAH.If you have evidence to the contrary let me know. @guru is talking about Judgement Day. Is that clear? I'M SAYING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JUDGEMENT DAY.That day, the prophet will pray to God for His mercy on us. Right now, the prophet is dead. He does not pray for anybody. MUSLIMS PRAY DIRECTLY TO ALLAH WITHOUT INTERCESSOR. Alphdoti, your interpretation is not superior to mine. If it were, you could have also convinced the nywele ngumu converts there are no maidens in the underworld. You have not and you cannot. Because their interpretation is valid. There is nothing you can bring from the koran and hadithis to prove I am wrong. I have read the same koran and the same hadiths and my conclusion is valid. I believe I have understood this matter as Mohammed would have liked me to understand it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Jus Blazin wrote:@AlphDoti, @guru, @Muriel, @Lolest, @et al, if Muslims, Christians and Jews believe in the same God, if they are all classified as Abrahamic religions, if all major prophets who passed the message are found in these religions, then the question of which religion is the truth becomes void. They are all the truth. The difference is human nature in interpretation and understanding, leading to differences in beliefs.
My point is, this back and forth we are having here will only create protagonists and antagonists where there's actually supposed to be none. Just blazing, they all have different Gods as each have understood. Abraham brings no common ground in this matter. Its a fallacy to claim spritualized harmony when the sensible reality is division.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Perception,inference,faith and truth.Oh well.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti, 'abstaction' is relevant in this case. Why? Without it Man wouldn't be able to reason.
But perhaps to enhance our conversation I will ask you to kindly show me what I have 'abstracted' then I can clarify my objective. You see what I meant is, set is more of abstraction and manifestation blah, blah! Alright, let us give it a try: I = Islam C = Christianity Q = Quran H = Hadith C1 = Christianity words of God C2 = Christianity words of the prophets C3 = Christianity words of the writers N = null set (I don't want us to use null set) I = {Q, H, C1, C2*} NB: *not in the exact words C = {C1, C2, C3} H = C2* NB: * not exact words C is not a subset of I C is not equal to I Let us agree we can amend an erroneous basic assumption above, if we find further truth along the way. Ahoy there mateys!!! Scoot over Symbols, Danas10, Muriel et al! New things are in town!! Laugh Laugh Laugh
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti, 'abstaction' is relevant in this case. Why? Without it Man wouldn't be able to reason.
But perhaps to enhance our conversation I will ask you to kindly show me what I have 'abstracted' then I can clarify my objective. You see what I meant is, set is more of abstraction and manifestation blah, blah! Alright, let us give it a try: I = Islam C = Christianity Q = Quran H = Hadith C1 = Christianity words of God C2 = Christianity words of the prophets C3 = Christianity words of the writers N = null set (I don't want us to use null set) I = {Q, H, C1, C2*} NB: *not in the exact words C = {C1, C2, C3} H = C2* NB: * not exact words C is not a subset of I C is not equal to I Let us agree we can amend an erroneous basic assumption above, if we find further truth along the way. Ahoy there mateys!!! Scoot over Symbols, Danas10, Muriel et al! New things are in town!! Laugh Laugh Laugh No comment 
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