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Gladys Shollei...
a4architect.com
#171 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:23:21 PM
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The best way to get property value is to use a registered valuer. They could have gotten 2 or 3 different valuations for comparative purposes.
Ahmednassir should have either suggested Shollei to use valuation services either from private sector or from chief govt valuer at ministry of lands n housing. Any argument between the 2 lawyers without valuation is misinformed.

Looks like Shollei was on the wrong to try and negotiate without the rest of the JSC members. Also Ahmednassir was on the wrong coz it looks like when he got the wind of it, he tried to wrestle the deal from Shollei.
Bottom line is that JSC needs to create detailed mechanisms for procurement that involve all members. Public Procurement Oversight Authority needs to set time to teach Shollei, Ahmednassir n the rest on how to procure using tax payer money.

Once she is back, she will have to be more involving to the rest of JSC to avoid perceived corruption scenarios such as this.
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Nandwa
#172 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 8:37:56 PM
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Mere discussion between Shollei and some persons in Postal Corporation can not be basis to assume a wrong on the part of Shollei.

Again, the figures cited by Abdinasir are based on hearsay - nothing concrete!

If the deal had gone into exchange of written communication in exclusion of relevant persons within the Judiciary then Shollei could be said to have mistepped.

For now, Abdinasir is the one jumping the gun.
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a4architect.com
#173 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:38:31 AM
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@nandwa. .true. Shollei comunication with postal guys without involving all JSC members gives an impression of percieved underhand dealing. The communication could have beeb innocent but it ended up sounding fishy to JSC/Ahmednassir.
JSC needs to set up modalities on how to procure and communicate with third parties where all JSC are involved .

Shollei should just have been verbally corrected and asked not to repeat that instead of the sledge hammer on fly approach that JSC used on her.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
Siringi
#174 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:17:47 AM
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My reading of the Public Procurement and Disposal Act 2005 and Regulations 2006 available from www.ppoa.go.ke

dealings between two gaarment institutions do not constitute a procurement that is subjected to the tendering procedures. Kweli rongo?

That indeed Shollei as the CEO was giving first preference to another gaarment institution before considering going out to the market is nothing wrong no?

That procuring a building or land one has to first and foremost consider many subjective criteria like location accessibility etc. . . Those familiar with The UON was the procurement of Varsity Plaza Mombasa (formerly Kenya Re towers)from Kenya Re a competetive tendering process? Ama the two institutions sat down and discussed?

What is wrong if Shollei met the lady of Postbank Nyambura Koigi siyui kwa saloon and they discussed business ? Kwani si even men meet kwa bar and cut deals

Endeleza mjadala. . .


a4architect.com wrote:
The best way to get property value is to use a registered valuer. They could have gotten 2 or 3 different valuations for comparative purposes.
Ahmednassir should have either suggested Shollei to use valuation services either from private sector or from chief govt valuer at ministry of lands n housing. Any argument between the 2 lawyers without valuation is misinformed.

Looks like Shollei was on the wrong to try and negotiate without the rest of the JSC members. Also Ahmednassir was on the wrong coz it looks like when he got the wind of it, he tried to wrestle the deal from Shollei.
Bottom line is that JSC needs to create detailed mechanisms for procurement that involve all members. Public Procurement Oversight Authority needs to set time to teach Shollei, Ahmednassir n the rest on how to procure using tax payer money.

Once she is back, she will have to be more involving to the rest of JSC to avoid perceived corruption scenarios such as this.

"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
a4architect.com
#175 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:50:25 PM
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@siringi..the issue is perceived corruption, not actual corruption.
By Shollei not divuldging the info to JSC, they might have throught she had something to hide. Its just common courtesy to inform the rest of the members for avoidance of suspicion.
I think dealings that dont fall under Procurement act are if for example, JSC sought the services of Ministry of Lands/Housing valuers as compared if they sought services from private sector eg lloyd masika, regent etc etc.
Am sure such billion shilling deals can not be left at the behest of both Shollei and Posta just because they are govt to govt deals.
If this is true, then this can become a serious corruption blackhole where ministries will sell to each other at ridiculous costs while middle man make the cut in between.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
Muheani
#176 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:02:14 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@siringi..the issue is perceived corruption, not actual corruption.
By Shollei not divuldging the info to JSC, they might have throught she had something to hide. Its just common courtesy to inform the rest of the members for avoidance of suspicion.
I think dealings that dont fall under Procurement act are if for example, JSC sought the services of Ministry of Lands/Housing valuers as compared if they sought services from private sector eg lloyd masika, regent etc etc.
Am sure such billion shilling deals can not be left at the behest of both Shollei and Posta just because they are govt to govt deals.
If this is true, then this can become a serious corruption blackhole where ministries will sell to each other at ridiculous costs while middle man make the cut in between.


I Need Some Translation.
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#177 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:12:28 PM
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@muheani..as in Shollei would have saved us all this drama about Mombasa building if she simply informed JSC/Abdullahi of progress or discussion with Post Office Mombasa.
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Siringi
#178 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:32:58 PM
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IMHO Two officers have let us down The Ag and CJ. This is a matter they could have resolved over a cup of tea.

Postbank is a GoK instution and so is Judiciary. I reiterate that any sale or transfer of assets between the two is of extremely low risk and is not a procurement matter in the strictest sense.
Such a transaction would require signatures at Cabinet Secretary level, AG consent and government valuer would be involved. I refuse to see where middlemen and perception would have come in. Ama nitoe googlez

Muheani wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@siringi..the issue is perceived corruption, not actual corruption.
By Shollei not divuldging the info to JSC, they might have throught she had something to hide. Its just common courtesy to inform the rest of the members for avoidance of suspicion.
I think dealings that dont fall under Procurement act are if for example, JSC sought the services of Ministry of Lands/Housing valuers as compared if they sought services from private sector eg lloyd masika, regent etc etc.
Am sure such billion shilling deals can not be left at the behest of both Shollei and Posta just because they are govt to govt deals.
If this is true, then this can become a serious corruption blackhole where ministries will sell to each other at ridiculous costs while middle man make the cut in between.


I Need Some Translation.

"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
mkenyan
#179 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:54:00 AM
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Siringi wrote:
My reading of the Public Procurement and Disposal Act 2005 and Regulations 2006 available from www.ppoa.go.ke

dealings between two gaarment institutions do not constitute a procurement that is subjected to the tendering procedures. Kweli rongo?

That indeed Shollei as the CEO was giving first preference to another gaarment institution before considering going out to the market is nothing wrong no?

That procuring a building or land one has to first and foremost consider many subjective criteria like location accessibility etc. . . Those familiar with The UON was the procurement of Varsity Plaza Mombasa (formerly Kenya Re towers)from Kenya Re a competetive tendering process? Ama the two institutions sat down and discussed?

What is wrong if Shollei met the lady of Postbank Nyambura Koigi siyui kwa saloon and they discussed business ? Kwani si even men meet kwa bar and cut deals

Endeleza mjadala. . .


a4architect.com wrote:
The best way to get property value is to use a registered valuer. They could have gotten 2 or 3 different valuations for comparative purposes.
Ahmednassir should have either suggested Shollei to use valuation services either from private sector or from chief govt valuer at ministry of lands n housing. Any argument between the 2 lawyers without valuation is misinformed.

Looks like Shollei was on the wrong to try and negotiate without the rest of the JSC members. Also Ahmednassir was on the wrong coz it looks like when he got the wind of it, he tried to wrestle the deal from Shollei.
Bottom line is that JSC needs to create detailed mechanisms for procurement that involve all members. Public Procurement Oversight Authority needs to set time to teach Shollei, Ahmednassir n the rest on how to procure using tax payer money.

Once she is back, she will have to be more involving to the rest of JSC to avoid perceived corruption scenarios such as this.


thank god you are neither in public service nor in control of my tax money ... or are you?
Bigchick
#180 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:08:37 PM
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From todays Sunday Nation inaonekana mambo ni mingi.

All others could be based on "he said , I said" and are difficult to evaluate without bias or goggles.Lakini hii ya false claims for meetings not attended since it had to be backed by facts--date of meeting, , minutes with attendance item, then the claims, itakuwa shida hapo.

Akina mama hatujui kuiba na kufunika trail.
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