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hardwood
#1731 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:26:55 AM
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alma1 wrote:
8000 votes was the 50+1
Meanwhile in Homa Bay....
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KulaRaha
#1732 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:33:37 AM
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hardwood wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Must be difficult trying to defend your General when he acts like a coward and thinks he is above questioning....
How is he a coward when he stated 20 days ago, on 5/7/17, that he will not participate in the debate. Also he is the president, why share the stage with aspirants? Why would he want to debate on why he wants to be president when he is already president? Hiyo ni kazi ya akina baba. For ohuru the appropriate forum should be one looking at his achievements and telling us why he wants continue serving as president, and a town hall style meeting is best for that.
Coward is a coward.... “There are five character flaws that are dangerous for a general. If he is reckless, his men can be killed. If he is cowardly, his army can be captured. If he is short-tempered, he will react in anger. If he is self-important, he can be deceived. If he is attached to his men, he will hesitate at a crucial moment. These five flaws are certainly unfortunate for a general because they cause great destruction in war. These five flaws cause generals to fail and armies to die. Consider them well.” Sun Tzu, The Art of War, (c. 480 BCE)
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Baratang
#1733 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:35:13 AM
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Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend.
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maka
#1734 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:36:54 AM
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sheri wrote:
I am disappointed UK didn't turn up. But that's now cannot be undone. But I believe this is one election which is issue based.In mashinani people are now asking questions. What did he do as an MCA? MP? or Governor. In Kiambu for instance, although there was a lot of propaganda people are disappointed with poor service delivery Vs the county government levies. As for yesterday's presidential debate RAO did extremely well. But the issues he need to conclusively deal with and try to navigate is the "rent issue" and land issue. It might be his waterloo. Finally something being whispered in low tones is his religious leaning? where does he stand? That another small movement iko chini ya maji but is gaining traction with the Christians. For the other DR's and Professors AKA wenye kutafuta mbuzi they can join their comrades in lecture halls and give the much needed knowledge to our young generation. Kenya doesn't need theorists. I ENJOYED THE DEBATE smile smile
@Sheri whats the issue with rent again? Am not getting the problem. He is Agnostic...Christians in this country have been some of the worst pretenders.
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sheri
#1735 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:46:39 AM
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maka wrote:
sheri wrote:
I am disappointed UK didn't turn up. But that's now cannot be undone. But I believe this is one election which is issue based.In mashinani people are now asking questions. What did he do as an MCA? MP? or Governor. In Kiambu for instance, although there was a lot of propaganda people are disappointed with poor service delivery Vs the county government levies. As for yesterday's presidential debate RAO did extremely well. But the issues he need to conclusively deal with and try to navigate is the "rent issue" and land issue. It might be his waterloo. Finally something being whispered in low tones is his religious leaning? where does he stand? That another small movement iko chini ya maji but is gaining traction with the Christians. For the other DR's and Professors AKA wenye kutafuta mbuzi they can join their comrades in lecture halls and give the much needed knowledge to our young generation. Kenya doesn't need theorists. I ENJOYED THE DEBATE smile smile
@Sheri whats the issue with rent again? Am not getting the problem. He is Agnostic...Christians in this country have been some of the worst pretenders.
@People on the ground are not getting his rationale on reducing rent to manageable levels. The question being " does Baba has his own houses so as to promise to reduce rent.
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hardwood
#1736 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:48:22 AM
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Baratang wrote:
Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend.
Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team.
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Fyatu
#1737 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:52:29 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
I might have called him names before, but RAO yesterday evening convinced me that he is of good intentions. Particularly how he will deal with the issue of corruption and how he intends to lift the dignity of Kenyans by construction of decent low cost housing etc....Raila did very well in that debate and came out as a very intelligent man despite my past perception of him
He was very shallow and unconvincing and lacking facts. He even said unga is currently 150 bob when 90 bob unga is all over. He couldn't defend himself against corruption in the maize scandal during his tenure as PM. Regarding housing he had no plan but rather shifted the blame to land lords where he said rent will be controlled via the Rent restrictions act. How will landlord invest when they cant raise rent above 2500 as per the act? On alshabbad he said it is is him and kibaki who sent troops to somalia and now wants them to be withdrawn and stationed at the kenyan border. Wont all the liberated territories fall back to alshabab. Will Kenya be safer with the terrorists occupying territory upto the kenyan border?
Sawa boss. I still maintain that if go.ke can implement this kind of project then as a voter i will be very happy and i am sure most Kenyans will be happy to pay rent/or mortgage such houses at friendly prices.If you want to see the squalor Kenyans are living in just take a train ride from Nairobi to Syokimau and see the conditions in Mukuru kwa njenga. As for corruption, a colleague at work is of the school of thought that under the current katiba, a sitting president cannot "Magufuli" anyone because of what she(my colleague) refereed to as the bill of rights...etc.Any lawyer or katiba expert who can clarify this for us? Why can't people and banks(e.g., family bank, KCB) that have clearly been shown to have stolen money or banks that have used as conduits of stealing(money from Kenya and South Sudan) be just be "Magufulid" mara hiyo hiyo? Why is it that the headmistress in Mombasa was immediately charged with murder in Mombasa after that freak accident involving a student and not broad light thieves of pesa ya umma? Why is it that a bus driver in corner mbaya passie(Githurai) was sent to the gallows for life swiftly for not resisting to touch fat and succulent brown thighs being flaunted in a miniskirt lakini corruption inakuwa kizungumkuti? Again RAO appeared genuine to me in these two matters(corruption and social welfare) to the extent i have started asking myself questions? Finally, remember that RAO has said he has no problems with freedom of speech so i owe it to him for going scot free with my vulgar language and insults on social media
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Gathige
#1738 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:53:20 AM
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alma1 wrote:
8000 votes was the 50+1 I warn politicians that Nyerians are not from Kiambu. Uhuru will carry Nyeri but these stories of 2022 nikucheza mnacheza.
It was 800k bwana. This 8k is what avoided a run off but the difference was huuuuge
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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hardwood
#1739 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:54:21 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
hardwood wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Must be difficult trying to defend your General when he acts like a coward and thinks he is above questioning....
How is he a coward when he stated 20 days ago, on 5/7/17, that he will not participate in the debate. Also he is the president, why share the stage with aspirants? Why would he want to debate on why he wants to be president when he is already president? Hiyo ni kazi ya akina baba. For ohuru the appropriate forum should be one looking at his achievements and telling us why he wants continue serving as president, and a town hall style meeting is best for that.
Coward is a coward.... bla bla bla...
From that debate, tell us baba's plan for the country when it comes to infrastructure, health, agriculture, education, manufacturing etc etc.
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Baratang
#1740 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:56:53 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend.
Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team.
Precisely. And Linus at some not distant past vied for an elective post some place in Kilgoris on an ODM ticket. Uhuru was clever not to attend. I would have done the same thing.
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