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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Baba is behaving like a boy who is afraid to face the circumciser's knife and therefore comes up with all manner of excuses to delay the D-Day. If baba is fearing going to the elections let him say so. I am sure he would still complain if the ballot tender is given to his own Kisumu Mollases coz his is a fear of elections and the guaranteed defeat.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Let it be borne in mind that all the other grounds cited by the plaintiff/applicant were found to lack merit and thrown out save for lack of public participation. In other words, by Al Ghurair printing the ballot papers, does not give any political wing any advantage over any other. Which begs the question; Is what we are getting into in the wake of this judgement worth the trouble under the circumstances Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Was public participation lacking only in the case of presidential ballot tendering? What was the gist of the case? Wasn't it the suspicion that one party was unduly advantaged by the printing if done by Al Gurer?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Rahatupu wrote:Was public participation lacking only in the case of presidential ballot tendering? What was the gist of the case? Wasn't it the suspicion that one party was unduly advantaged by the printing if done by Al Gurer? The Judges specifically dealt with this allegation and found it to be baseless. It was also observed right there in court after the judgement that; with this judgement other persons are now likely to go to court to have all the other ballots be subjected to similar fate since no public participation was carried out on their part either. The judges just shrugged their shoulders like - Shhh - don't give the litigants that idea! adding that they ruled strictly on the matter before them - the presidential ballot!!! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Ngalaka wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Was public participation lacking only in the case of presidential ballot tendering? What was the gist of the case? Wasn't it the suspicion that one party was unduly advantaged by the printing if done by Al Gurer? The Judges specifically dealt with this allegation and found it to be baseless. It was also observed right there in court after the judgement that; with this judgement other persons are now likely to go to court to have all the other ballots be subjected to similar fate since no public participation was carried out on their part either. The judges just shrugged their shoulders like - Shhh - don't give the litigants that idea! adding that they ruled strictly on the matter before them - the presidential ballot!!! I've nt seen the entire ruling but seems iebc is in a spin now......appeal the only way out or else a political solution.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngalaka wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Was public participation lacking only in the case of presidential ballot tendering? What was the gist of the case? Wasn't it the suspicion that one party was unduly advantaged by the printing if done by Al Gurer? The Judges specifically dealt with this allegation and found it to be baseless. It was also observed right there in court after the judgement that; with this judgement other persons are now likely to go to court to have all the other ballots be subjected to similar fate since no public participation was carried out on their part either. The judges just shrugged their shoulders like - Shhh - don't give the litigants that idea! adding that they ruled strictly on the matter before them - the presidential ballot!!! In light of this, can we now conclude that that was a very stupid ruling? Somebody with deep pockets but who hasn't yet won voters' hearts will do so. More time might mean turning tables on your opponents I have in mind Kabogo. More time could give him a new lease of political life
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngalaka wrote:Let it be borne in mind that all the other grounds cited by the plaintiff/applicant were found to lack merit and thrown out save for lack of public participation.
In other words, by Al Ghurair printing the ballot papers, does not give any political wing any advantage of another.
Which begs the question;
Is what we are getting into in the wake of this judgement worth the trouble under the circumstances No
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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What would stop some little known MCA aspirant from some backwater ward in Kacheliba (or elsewhere) going to court to stop printing of ballots now that the unlearned judges have made a ruling that the process is flawed? The earliest we can have this election is in the year 2050 after all petitions by thousands of aspirants have been heard and determined.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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Bigchick wrote:Patience,Patience,Patience.
It will end well.I trust there is a way out. Things are thick for Jubilee. The pummeling they are receiving in the court rooms is just too much. Baba is running rings around them. I can imagine the party that will go down today with a hearty laughter from baba as he sips his favourite drink. If the election results end up in court like last time, then jubilee will be toast 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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i think the ruling isn't as bad as people think, at least the sky won't fall. I blame jubilee for their loss in court...why they and govt put in such a spirited attempt to defend alghurair i will never understand...shows lack of strategy, tact. In fact, had the judges ruled in IEBC favor, this would have given aliar the much needed ammunition to claim conspiracy by judicary, executive and iebc against him..as of now he's at a total loss what to do next...
Really, these presidential ballots can be printed on the eve of the election locally. Why in this time and age, mere printing has to be done abroad? Given time I could print all these ballots from my bedroom for all i care.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Kenyans should be free to choose their leaders. It's their sovereign right to do so and must never be forced to delegate that right to Justice Odinga (or is it Odungah)?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Jump-steady wrote:Bigchick wrote:Patience,Patience,Patience.
It will end well.I trust there is a way out. Things are thick for Jubilee. The pummeling they are receiving in the court rooms is just too much. Baba is running rings around them. I can imagine the party that will go down today with a hearty laughter from baba as he sips his favourite drink. If the election results end up in court like last time, then jubilee will be toast My take is that if there was a flaw then let it be dealt with.The rule of law is being upheld.Jubilee should not be favoured.I hope when the ruling is in favour of Jubilee the other side will also accept. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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limanika wrote:i think the ruling isn't as bad as people think, at least the sky won't fall. I blame jubilee for their loss in court...why they and govt put in such a spirited attempt to defend alghurair i will never understand...shows lack of strategy, tact. In fact, had the judges ruled in IEBC favor, this would have given aliar the much needed ammunition to claim conspiracy by judicary, executive and iebc against him..as of now he's at a total loss what to do next...
Really, these presidential ballots can be printed on the eve of the election locally. Why in this time and age, mere printing has to be done abroad? Given time I could print all these ballots from my bedroom for all i care. True...NASWA team is now confused.They dont know what to do next. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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WARNING!!! There is no way Uhuru can treat Chebukati and team different from Isaac hassan and kina waiguru and garment officers raira has attacked and expect a different result. The sooner he disbands IEBC and sack Chebukati and team the better. Please remember if auditors in Kenya think tribal, what of Judiciary? Parliament must disband everything election related and consult baba in each and everything to avoid CHAOS. Even the Judges will be tribal in the end. Better win Baba clean, everything he demands, immediately. Even if local printers have to be given the contracts eventually, there is no law against that, as long as the election is held on 8/8, that's the law, printing can be given to ouma, njoroge, nation printers, e.t.c it must not be a dubai company or rairas relatives in UK, but the election MUST BE on 8/8!!!! Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Much Know wrote:WARNING!!! There is no way Uhuru can treat Chebukati and team different from Isaac hassan and kina waiguru and garment officers raira has attacked and expect a different result. The sooner he disbands IEBC and sack Chebukati and team the better. Please remember if auditors in Kenya think tribal, what of Judiciary? Parliament must disband everything election related and consult baba in each and everything to avoid CHAOS. Even the Judges will be tribal in the end. Better win Baba clean, everything he demands, immediately.
Even if local printers have to be given the contracts eventually, there is no law against that, as long as the election is held on 8/8, that's the law, printing can be given to ouma, njoroge, nation printers, e.t.c it must not be a dubai company or rairas relatives in UK, but the election MUST BE on 8/8!!!! Really? I thought aibisii is independent hence the reason why we had to plead with Issack to vacate and gave him n team a generous send off?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Is it true that the point that won the petition (public participation) was brought about by Aukot not Nasa? That Nasa's point was on the Arabs having links to Uhuru and this was rejected by the courts? In which case we should cut baba some slack
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Lolest! wrote:Is it true that the point that won the petition (public participation) was brought about by Aukot not Nasa? That Nasa's point was on the Arabs having links to Uhuru and this was rejected by the courts?
In which case we should cut baba some slack True..fake orengo i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Who advises IEBC?
Judge Odunga had already expressed himself in this case earlier and made a judgement on the matter similar to the one delivered today. IEBC should have objected to him being part of the 3 judge bench or demanded the bench to have 5 judges. IEBC set themselves up for failure as they knew the views of the one judge already and this should have been stopped for a fair hearing.
What the court is ordering is impossible and very risky. Anyone can interfere or even stop the procurement process through injunctions and the like and there will be no election on 8817.
Way forward now?
IEBC must appeal and if the case must go to the Supreme case, so be it. Eventually if the superior court supports today's ruling , it is expected they will advise how the country goes about postponing the elections and how executive governance will be composed at the national level.
Meanwhile there should be a stay of today's ruling and the printing of ballots should continue until the superior courts express themselves in this matter.
Uncertainty
The silver lining in this matter is that the uncertainty will most probably results in lower prices at the NSE and will give an opportunities for some of us to get into the buses that had already left....lol
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Liv wrote: Who advises IEBC?
Judge Odunga had already expressed himself in this case earlier and made a judgement on the matter similar to the one delivered today. IEBC should have objected to him being part of the 3 judge bench or demanded the bench to have 5 judges. IEBC set themselves up for failure as they knew the views of the one judge already and this should have been stopped for a fair hearing.
What the court is ordering is impossible and very risky. Anyone can interfere or even stop the procurement process through injunctions and the like and there will be no election on 8817.
Way forward now?
IEBC must appeal and if the case must go to the Supreme case, so be it. Eventually if the superior court supports today's ruling , it is expected they will advise how the country goes about postponing the elections and how executive governance will be composed at the national level.
Meanwhile there should be a stay of today's ruling and the printing of ballots should continue until the superior courts express themselves in this matter.
Uncertainty
The silver lining in this matter is that the uncertainty will most probably results in lower prices at the NSE and will give an opportunities for some of us to get into the buses that had already left....lol
Also wondering which lawyers advises IEBC...Why cant they advise IEBC to stop arguing or prosecuting their case in the media, to start with? All the arguments IEBC and Govt were relying on were in public domain..they dispatch statement to media explaining their position (prejudicial) then rush to court to give same arguments and expect judges to fall over themselves and rule in their favor? By the way the case is more political, so strategy is as important, if not more important than raw facts of the law. That said, arguing against the ruling by high court would be like an open book exam for any bright law student. The arguments that make the ruling void in law are right there under the nose. But with lack of tact by IEBC, Govt and jubilee lawyers, am not very sure they will win...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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limanika wrote:Liv wrote: Who advises IEBC?
Judge Odunga had already expressed himself in this case earlier and made a judgement on the matter similar to the one delivered today. IEBC should have objected to him being part of the 3 judge bench or demanded the bench to have 5 judges. IEBC set themselves up for failure as they knew the views of the one judge already and this should have been stopped for a fair hearing.
What the court is ordering is impossible and very risky. Anyone can interfere or even stop the procurement process through injunctions and the like and there will be no election on 8817.
Way forward now?
IEBC must appeal and if the case must go to the Supreme case, so be it. Eventually if the superior court supports today's ruling , it is expected they will advise how the country goes about postponing the elections and how executive governance will be composed at the national level.
Meanwhile there should be a stay of today's ruling and the printing of ballots should continue until the superior courts express themselves in this matter.
Uncertainty
The silver lining in this matter is that the uncertainty will most probably results in lower prices at the NSE and will give an opportunities for some of us to get into the buses that had already left....lol
Also wondering which lawyers advises IEBC...Why cant they advise IEBC to stop arguing or prosecuting their case in the media, to start with? All the arguments IEBC and Govt were relying on were in public domain..they dispatch statement to media explaining their position (prejudicial) then rush to court to give same arguments and expect judges to fall over themselves and rule in their favor? By the way the case is more political, so strategy is as important, if not more important than raw facts of the law. That said, arguing against the ruling by high court would be like an open book exam for any bright law student. The arguments that make the ruling void in law are right there under the nose. But with lack of tact by IEBC, Govt and jubilee lawyers, am not very sure they will win... really? three intelligent and highly schooled judges make a well reasoned judgement and a wazua wazoo can easily zero in on why the judgement is void - and all without giving any reason apart from loud words!!! if that is the way iebc reasons then it is no surprise they get drubbed in court.
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