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Double post Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
Dunia ni msongamano..
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Ngogoyo wrote:murchr wrote:limanika wrote:murchr wrote:I think we now need to have police posts in our institutions. Like it is in the US A general solution will not be effective in this kind of threat. These terrorists have time on their side, even if you had Police posts, they will spend months studying targets to pick soft spots. Plus if Kiganjo is like our other institutions, then the curriculum used to train Police is not update with the times. Chances are that the tutors concentrate on strategies against traditional crimes. In times like this, you cannot rely on government to give solutions, since what is required is some very radical change starting from training and resourcing and deployment of police. Due to beuracracy, it would take upto ten yrs for government to catch up. In the short and medium term, Institutions should go for private solutions to complement govt I agree the curriculum at Kiganjo needs to be re-modeled and that goes for the caliber of graduates too..The D material can no longer be trusted with a policemans job I think its time we have privates form private security contractors. the police system is messed up. the goverment can even contract them for north eastern coast and any other messed up area by the way does the currrent laws allow privates to form an equivalent 'private army'?...it would be good for homeland security utill we solve the problems in police force Govt will never admit situation is out of hand,for obvious reasons. It is upon our institutions to read between the lines and take it upon themselves..We cannot resign to a situation whereby what delays the next shabab attack is delay in them training or finding the next batch of 4No. suicide attackers. May God bless and protect Kenya.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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B.Timer wrote:This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
Then the problem is not lack of intelligence, it is what is done when the intelligence is received. Very sad indeed realizing that it was possible to prevent the loss of all these lives. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Very sad, Young lives gone just like that!
They want NE kenya to become muslim dominated and sharia implemented.
Blablabla we are a talking nation,experts with very good advice on what to do after an attack.
Their money is in kenya and they must use it in kenya,we promote their business because they sell us cheap goods,offer us tax free services,whom are we kidding?
They pay us rent,employ us,and buy off our cops during raids.Damn their blood money is someone's else lifeline. What to do?
You won't find such nonsence in Ethiopia.Tz is also flexing muscles.
Kenya is a terrorist's haven cz our borders are too porous and our officials corrupt. We dont care until death knocks on our doors.
Don't kill a terrorist or 2 and go celebrating.
They are here not in somalia.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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B.Timer wrote:This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
This is what we are saying. Institutions even need to form own intel networks, and share info with others in the neighborhood. Perhaps GUC felt that having some 4No. armed guards was enough deterrent. This reliance on traditional security arrangements is we are saying is not enough.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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limanika wrote:B.Timer wrote:This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
This is what we are saying. Institutions even need to form own intel networks, and share info with others in the neighborhood. Perhaps GUC felt that having some 4No. armed guards was enough deterrent. This reliance on traditional security arrangements is we are saying is not enough. . Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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Answer to all these questions
CORRUPTION
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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limanika wrote:B.Timer wrote:This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
This is what we are saying. Institutions even need to form own intel networks, and share info with others in the neighborhood. Perhaps GUC felt that having some 4No. armed guards was enough deterrent. This reliance on traditional security arrangements is we are saying is not enough. In these far flung towns which are not so populated, it is very easy to spot strangers. Community policing would work perfectly. I feel sorry for the security guards who do searches at the entrance of buildings and wherever. I wonder if they realize the danger they are exposed to. Whoever agrees to be searched is most likely to mean no harm. But one who has come to cause chaos will start by refusing to be searched and blowing up their heads. County governments should do more to protect their own. They should not argue that security is a function of the national government. If they do just what is within their means, they will cover so much mileage that we will not see such senseless loss of lives. God bless Kenya Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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These two tweets show the level at which this gov't is playing with the lives of Kenyans. I have said it go start talking about undermining. Listening to the Governor and Senator in the video interview above is shocking. Reading that there was advanced warning in the town and one college was actually emptied because of the fear is heart wrenching Hearing that the Reccee squad finished this in less than 20 minutes after their arrival and the logistics made them come late is unacceptable. How many Kenyans would have been saved if someone somewhere was serious about their jobs. Let's not continue blaming Al Shabaab. Some of these things we bring unto ourselves. We should insist more from this gov't not knee jerk candles on Twirra and 3 days of mourning communiques These two tweets are just heart wrenching and anyone saying that the operation to kill 4 people who killed more than 200 people in a 13 hour siege is a success, needs to have their heads examined. I can only give thanks that Nkaissery is in charge otherwise....Fire the county commander for laziness bar none for this. If there are intelligence people in that area who never communicated the fear that was in that community since Monday, they should be hanged. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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