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Amores wrote:@ alma,i appreciate all your sentiment that it is not muslims,there are few using Islam to to terriorise others. That is why i am sayng it would be a sign of good faith for Muslims of good faith,the ones who follow the actual teachings,not the skewed one where it is OK to shoot and kill as you yell "Alla Akbar".
It is not an aplogy as such,but a strong message from Muslims that,no,those people do not represent our faith.
Yes,I have friends who are muslims,some of them are close friends actually. They do it all the time. All the time. Why were wazuans shocked to hear that a mosque was talking about peace? It's just that its not sexy for the media to talk about good muslims. If they talk about bad cops, they will be hounded out of wazua for supporting terrorists. Muslims do a lot for this country. I want to ask you again.Do you think Abdul Hajj should go on TV today and apologise for Westgate? You know, the muslim who was saving babies at the mall? Do you think the cop in that picture holding a baby should stand up in a church on Sunday and apologise for the terrorists inside? He was a muslim too What about the family of the radio show host? Do you think her family must show their good will by having a radio show about it? She was a muslim too. Criminals do not attack religions. No one religion is responsible for your actions. You can try to use it as an excuse, but religion does not shoot babies, bad people do. That is what the Bible says. Muslims owe you nothing. For me when I see policemen shooting people it means they accepted that they have failed. That is more scary than any lunatic muslim or christian can ever be. When the police accept that they cannot do their job, there is where the jigger is hiding. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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If we are hunting down terrorists,then why is one religion retaliating by burning churches?
Who between the two is turning it into a religious war?
Why is it that anytime a muslim dies it becomes religious? I never saw christians take to the streets when kina njoya,muge and gitari were taking the heat for their aggressive opposition
politics.
If guys demonstrated it was because they saw politics in the fight not religion.
Suppose the dead person's name was 'inyangala'..
Havent we co-existed peaceful for a very long time?
Can't we see how a few 'terror elements' are trying to create a wedge by hiding under the cover of religion?
Are these googles limited to wazuans only?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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alma wrote:Amores wrote:@ alma,i appreciate all your sentiment that it is not muslims,there are few using Islam to to terriorise others. That is why i am sayng it would be a sign of good faith for Muslims of good faith,the ones who follow the actual teachings,not the skewed one where it is OK to shoot and kill as you yell "Alla Akbar".
It is not an aplogy as such,but a strong message from Muslims that,no,those people do not represent our faith.
Yes,I have friends who are muslims,some of them are close friends actually. They do it all the time. All the time. Why were wazuans shocked to hear that a mosque was talking about peace? It's just that its not sexy for the media to talk about good muslims. If they talk about bad cops, they will be hounded out of wazua for supporting terrorists. Muslims do a lot for this country. I want to ask you again.Do you think Abdul Hajj should go on TV today and apologise for Westgate? You know, the muslim who was saving babies at the mall? Do you think the cop in that picture holding a baby should stand up in a church on Sunday and apologise for the terrorists inside? He was a muslim too What about the family of the radio show host? Do you think her family must show their good will by having a radio show about it? She was a muslim too. Criminals do not attack religions. No one religion is responsible for your actions. You can try to use it as an excuse, but religion does not shoot babies, bad people do. That is what the Bible says. Muslims owe you nothing. For me when I see policemen shooting people it means they accepted that they have failed. That is more scary than any lunatic muslim or christian can ever be. When the police accept that they cannot do their job, there is where the jigger is hiding. @ alma,it is diffuclt to engage you because you are hang up on your own line of thought.I rest. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Amores wrote:alma wrote:Amores wrote:@ alma,i appreciate all your sentiment that it is not muslims,there are few using Islam to to terriorise others. That is why i am sayng it would be a sign of good faith for Muslims of good faith,the ones who follow the actual teachings,not the skewed one where it is OK to shoot and kill as you yell "Alla Akbar".
It is not an aplogy as such,but a strong message from Muslims that,no,those people do not represent our faith.
Yes,I have friends who are muslims,some of them are close friends actually. They do it all the time. All the time. Why were wazuans shocked to hear that a mosque was talking about peace? It's just that its not sexy for the media to talk about good muslims. If they talk about bad cops, they will be hounded out of wazua for supporting terrorists. Muslims do a lot for this country. I want to ask you again.Do you think Abdul Hajj should go on TV today and apologise for Westgate? You know, the muslim who was saving babies at the mall? Do you think the cop in that picture holding a baby should stand up in a church on Sunday and apologise for the terrorists inside? He was a muslim too What about the family of the radio show host? Do you think her family must show their good will by having a radio show about it? She was a muslim too. Criminals do not attack religions. No one religion is responsible for your actions. You can try to use it as an excuse, but religion does not shoot babies, bad people do. That is what the Bible says. Muslims owe you nothing. For me when I see policemen shooting people it means they accepted that they have failed. That is more scary than any lunatic muslim or christian can ever be. When the police accept that they cannot do their job, there is where the jigger is hiding. @alma,it is diffuclt to engage you because you are hang up on your own line of thought.I rest. @alma has put across the important points in a clear and sober manner. At least this time it was not myself telling it. Because maybe I'm a bit hard. But all you can say is you rest your case? Really? When somebody makes sense, be humble enough to say "I see your point". Any criminal who kills another person, whether innocent or not is a criminal. Yes, crime is bad. Terrosism is bad. Stealing is bad. Raping is bad. But don't we have the government and the law to handle these issues? Are they now defeated in convicting individuals. A person cannot be the police and the judge and the executor at the same time. Otherwise, if you saying this is the way to go, then I say you're not honest. And everybody in Wazua can see that. It is hypocry to have a different stand when the affected is not yourself. Quote:So killing of a person by governmental authorities without the sanction of any judicial proceeding or legal process is wrong.
Extra-judicial punishments are by their nature unlawful, since they bypass the due process of the legal jurisdiction in which they occur.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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@ alphadoti,AAlma points are mixed with stuff( his own ideas) which i did not say or advicote for,so why should i say i see his point? He responded and said my points are not clear,so i rested. No need to get high BP on an issue beyond me,and which is going in a direction i do not mind- dealing mercilessly with terrosits and their supporters- like the night raid on their base(Maybe you can go there also and advcate that washikwe wapelekwe mahakamani),the instant elimintion in mbs etc etc. Ni hayo tuu. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kysse wrote:If we are hunting down terrorists,then why is one religion retaliating by burning churches?
Who between the two is turning it into a religious war?
Why is it that anytime a muslim dies it becomes religious? I never saw christians take to the streets when kina njoya,muge and gitari were taking the heat for their aggressive opposition
politics.
If guys demonstrated it was because they saw politics in the fight not religion.
Suppose the dead person's name was 'inyangala'..
Havent we co-existed peaceful for a very long time?
Can't we see how a few 'terror elements' are trying to create a wedge by hiding under the cover of religion?
Are these googles limited to wazuans only? It was wrong for those youth to burn the church. The correct healing process should start from you and me. First, we need to treat a criminal as a criminal, leave religion out of it. You have asked a very good question, suppose the attackers were person's name 'inyangala'. Would you have said "traditional terrorist"? You can see that the objective is to divide people People living together peacfully. These are propagandas which have been invented. And amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth. Their objective is to divide the Muslims and the CHristians.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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All the world needs is a tit-for-tat organisation. You burn down my house, i burn down your two house, since, some characters just understand violence and nothing more. I really disliked Israel, but, since westgate, the only way out of this murderous religion is the Mossad way. You fire, we fire twice. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 262
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Of course its a religious war whoever doesn't know this is simply burying his head in the sand! Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/14/2012 Posts: 577 Location: Nairobi Kenya
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http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/...nd-terror-plans-at-coastPolice now looking for ma-cemetery.They believe he is behind terror plans at the coast.So far he has gone underground.. Before I die - i will touch the sky!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Pedes wrote:Njung'e wrote:Pedes wrote:Amores wrote:Pedes wrote:They killed 69.
4 of them gunned down.
Wazuans, this war will not be won through body count.
It may come to that,to hammer sense in some brainwashed heads. You think the ATP and other forces are worried about bodies? seriously? We should use intelligence to fight terrorism not a hammering sense into heads. why don't you go tell terrorists to use intelligence instead of killing innocent children?....You are disgusting to say the least! No need to get personal. I too am disgusted by whoever kills innocent civilians to further an agenda. There was Aboud Rogo, then Sheikh Ibrahim Rogo, our security agencies should be having profiles of who the likely hating spewing successors are and how to deal with them before they sow any discord. I believe we have laws on incitement. All investigators need to do is obtain recordings of their lectures and use that to open charges in a court of law. We also need to urgently review our laws on terrorism and give harsh sentences to those involved. There also needs to be a vigorous public campaign targetting the youth especially that being in possession of any weapon or being a part of any group designed to cause harm to others even in the name of religion is illegal.
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