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Law Capping interest rates
MaichBlack
#1621 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2016 10:45:16 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,872
bennry wrote:
To be Honest business is tough. I had a loan kwa one of this small banks and they were still charging me 22%. I cleared the loan in the hope that i would get a topup but wapi...For other banks to give you a loan it has to be secured. if its a car its around 70% of the forced value.
The last quarter of this year has been thick. sijui January vile watu wa SMEs are going to survive. Employees wanagojea bonuses but pesa hakuna...
Things are thick.
Then the government is on a looting spree and we are still being indifferent just cause we are sitting on our comfort zones. 2017 is going to be so so so bad....

Try telling that to the Mshwari Crew.

And guess what, they will argue even with you and tell you what happened to you did not happen!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
ForSport2
#1622 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2016 11:15:00 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 12/9/2015
Posts: 47
Location: +254
aemathenge wrote:
I believe it is time we derived a clear meaning of what constitutes a small and medium enterprise, SMEs.

This way, we can be able to think through our posts and stop making what I discern to be failure to differentiate their loans with personal loans.

Take, for example, Ms Anzetse Were, a Development Economist, whose article in the Business Daily dated December 4 2016 under the headline: SMEs Grapple With Credit Squeeze In Era Of Rate Cap, clearly fails to distinguish between the two.

Extract:

“It is not all bad news, however.

Saccos (Savings and Credit Cooperative Societies) have become a more attractive financing option particularly given that some already provide credit to members well below current bank rates.

This may lead to expansion of this sector thereby broadening financing options for Kenyans.

Further, increased difficulty in assessing loans will make it harder for Kenyans to take on credit for consumptive rather than investment purposes.

Applications will have to be thought through more rigorously than perhaps previously.

This is good news.”

Link.


From S.2 of the Micro and Small Enterprises Act
Micro Enterprise:
a firm, trade, service, industry or a business
activity—
(a) whose annual turnover does not exceed five hundred thousand
shillings;
(b) which employs less than ten people; and
No. 55 of 2012
Micro and Small Enterprises
[Issue 2] 8
(c) whose total assets and financial investment shall be as determined
by the Cabinet Secretary from time to time,
and includes—
(i) the manufacturing sector, where the investment in plant and
machinery or the registered capital of the enterprise does
not exceed ten million shillings;
(ii) the service sector and farming enterprises where the
investment in equipment or registered capital of the
enterprise does not exceed five million shillings

Small Enterprise:
a firm, trade, service, industry or a business
activity—
(a) whose annual turnover ranges between five hundred and five
million shillings; and
(b) which employs between ten and fifty people; and
(c) whose total assets and financial investment shall be as determined
by the Cabinet Secretary from time to time,
and includes—
(i) the manufacturing sector, where the investment in plant and
machinery as well as the registered capital of the enterprise
is between ten million and fifty million shillings; and
(ii) service and farming enterprises, where the equipment
investment as well as registered capital of the enterprise is
between five million and twenty million shillings;
kaifastus
#1623 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:00:57 AM
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Joined: 8/17/2011
Posts: 207
Location: humu humu
The govt tax or borrows money for redistribution purposes. To spend. when this money is spent it adds on to money supply. m1 m2 m3 trends in Kenya have been steadily rising these past yrs bcoz of massive govt spending. So, much of the recently floated bond will be spent back in the economy. 2016-17 budget is 2.8 trillion. Total debt repayment (domestic) interest +principal is 369Billion. foreign debt repayment interest +principle is 97 billion (a burden to society the money going overseas). Its true that govt domestic borrowing could "crowd" out investments, but the multiplier effect of our govt spending 2.8 billion during the year could offset it as economic models have shown.
newfarer
#1624 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:13:13 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,505
Location: Uganda
MaichBlack wrote:
bennry wrote:
To be Honest business is tough. I had a loan kwa one of this small banks and they were still charging me 22%. I cleared the loan in the hope that i would get a topup but wapi...For other banks to give you a loan it has to be secured. if its a car its around 70% of the forced value.
The last quarter of this year has been thick. sijui January vile watu wa SMEs are going to survive. Employees wanagojea bonuses but pesa hakuna...
Things are thick.
Then the government is on a looting spree and we are still being indifferent just cause we are sitting on our comfort zones. 2017 is going to be so so so bad....

Try telling that to the Mshwari Crew.

And guess what, they will argue even with you and tell you what happened to you did not happen!

Maringo nayo, mshwari pia ni pesa, Hawa mama mbogas unadharau are the ones who drive the real economy . lower middle income earners Kama most Wazuans ni kuimport second hand everything.wachana na sisi mama mbogas na mshwari yetu. If you are finding it hard to get funding for the fake lifestyle you are living, we are okay with our mshwari.
punda amecheka
wukan
#1625 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:02:51 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,654
Loving the posts here. Njaanuary will be so interesting. Talk to guys in the real estate, prices are starting to look south rapidly. I have seen one quote from 1m last year to now 800k and no buyers.

Malenge ni mboga...
muandiwambeu
#1626 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 2:56:50 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
wukan wrote:
Loving the posts here. Njaanuary will be so interesting. Talk to guys in the real estate, prices are starting to look south rapidly. I have seen one quote from 1m last year to now 800k and no buyers.

Malenge ni mboga...

Drool Drool NSE south, real estate south and Government paper south. Weeeeee @wukan have you discovered new rules of economics or are you ready to outspeed light. Or Kenya is set to become banana republic. Only inflation and dollar maybe are growing muscline now, maybe now.Sad Sad Sad
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
mkeiy
#1627 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:31:30 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 1/27/2012
Posts: 851
Location: Nairobi
newfarer wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
bennry wrote:
To be Honest business is tough. I had a loan kwa one of this small banks and they were still charging me 22%. I cleared the loan in the hope that i would get a topup but wapi...For other banks to give you a loan it has to be secured. if its a car its around 70% of the forced value.
The last quarter of this year has been thick. sijui January vile watu wa SMEs are going to survive. Employees wanagojea bonuses but pesa hakuna...
Things are thick.
Then the government is on a looting spree and we are still being indifferent just cause we are sitting on our comfort zones. 2017 is going to be so so so bad....

Try telling that to the Mshwari Crew.

And guess what, they will argue even with you and tell you what happened to you did not happen!

Maringo nayo, mshwari pia ni pesa, Hawa mama mbogas unadharau are the ones who drive the real economy . lower middle income earners Kama most Wazuans ni kuimport second hand everything.wachana na sisi mama mbogas na mshwari yetu. If you are finding it hard to get funding for the fake lifestyle you are living, we are okay with our mshwari.


@newfarer the mama mboga.

Mama mbogas have valid dreams to grow. Mshwari will support them for now, but it won't give their dreams life. For their dreams to start a transport l, construction, export business etc, cannot be supported by Mshwari.
Bigger dreams require bigger credit facility. The likes only a bank can extend. The way things will be, mama mboga won't access that bank credit.
Meaning she'll remain a small-timer mama mboga. Dreams bottled up.
In the meantime, majority of her customers, vibarua guys and other sme owners, will start buying on credit and unable to pay when debt is due. Things will get thicker, she'll take a 'bigger ' mshwari loan. With customers not paying on time & well, she'll default on her mshwari loan. She'll try borrowing from hubby/bro/sis,but even them, the pay hasn't been coming and the bro lost his job. For the first time she'll not open her kiosk. She'll be opening a few days a week,before she gets pregnant.
All thanks to interest rate cap.
Gatheuzi
#1628 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:49:56 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/16/2009
Posts: 994
mkeiy wrote:
newfarer wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
bennry wrote:
To be Honest business is tough. I had a loan kwa one of this small banks and they were still charging me 22%. I cleared the loan in the hope that i would get a topup but wapi...For other banks to give you a loan it has to be secured. if its a car its around 70% of the forced value.
The last quarter of this year has been thick. sijui January vile watu wa SMEs are going to survive. Employees wanagojea bonuses but pesa hakuna...
Things are thick.
Then the government is on a looting spree and we are still being indifferent just cause we are sitting on our comfort zones. 2017 is going to be so so so bad....

Try telling that to the Mshwari Crew.

And guess what, they will argue even with you and tell you what happened to you did not happen!

Maringo nayo, mshwari pia ni pesa, Hawa mama mbogas unadharau are the ones who drive the real economy . lower middle income earners Kama most Wazuans ni kuimport second hand everything.wachana na sisi mama mbogas na mshwari yetu. If you are finding it hard to get funding for the fake lifestyle you are living, we are okay with our mshwari.


@newfarer the mama mboga.

Mama mbogas have valid dreams to grow. Mshwari will support them for now, but it won't give their dreams life. For their dreams to start a transport l, construction, export business etc, cannot be supported by Mshwari.
Bigger dreams require bigger credit facility. The likes only a bank can extend. The way things will be, mama mboga won't access that bank credit.
Meaning she'll remain a small-timer mama mboga. Dreams bottled up.
In the meantime, majority of her customers, vibarua guys and other sme owners, will start buying on credit and unable to pay when debt is due. Things will get thicker, she'll take a 'bigger ' mshwari loan. With customers not paying on time & well, she'll default on her mshwari loan. She'll try borrowing from hubby/bro/sis,but even them, the pay hasn't been coming and the bro lost his job. For the first time she'll not open her kiosk. She'll be opening a few days a week,before she gets pregnant.
All thanks to interest rate cap
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ..too hillarious. Everything bad will be blamed on the caps. What about the tweet below to see how things are being taken to a whole new lunatic level...
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
Gatheuzi
#1629 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:51:43 AM
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Joined: 8/16/2009
Posts: 994
He was replying to the tweet below on FCB laying off staff ironicaly due to rate caps.

Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
Gatheuzi
#1630 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:16:53 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/16/2009
Posts: 994
The whole debate on interest rate caps will at the end of the day boil down to one point; which side of the equation are you. For a net borrower like myself the interest rate saving with the resultant accelerated principal repayments is just music to my years. Not everyone will be happy, but isn't that just life. Long live the rate caps.
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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