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Attack at Westgate
digitek1
#1611 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:04:21 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
[quote=simonkabz]Here is an account that sounds much more plausible-

......At 3am, the troops started rehearsing for the final assault, braving a drizzle. The final assault started at about 5.45. When the attack started, the terrorists are said to have concentrated on killing as many hostages as possible....

http://www.standardmedia...rists-down&pageNo=1[/quote]


Events highlighted here start from Monday morning. Ask what happened from Saturday afternoon, all through Sunday to the Monday morning..

and also bear in mind this lines.

"Initial attacks were chaotic as the chain of command between the police and military not only worsened things but also resulted in the military shooting dead a General Service Unit commander."

time lapse was to delay to enable Dpork get permission from otp on Monday #conspiracytheory
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
Impunity
#1612 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:14:16 PM
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Location: Masada
digitek1 wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
[quote=simonkabz]Here is an account that sounds much more plausible-

......At 3am, the troops started rehearsing for the final assault, braving a drizzle. The final assault started at about 5.45. When the attack started, the terrorists are said to have concentrated on killing as many hostages as possible....

http://www.standardmedia...rists-down&pageNo=1[/quote]


Events highlighted here start from Monday morning. Ask what happened from Saturday afternoon, all through Sunday to the Monday morning..

and also bear in mind this lines.

"Initial attacks were chaotic as the chain of command between the police and military not only worsened things but also resulted in the military shooting dead a General Service Unit commander."

time lapse was to delay to enable Dpork get permission from otp on Monday #conspiracytheory


Hehe!
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Shak
#1613 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:32:21 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
smano wrote:
An insight into terrorism and the complexity:

C&P

"As everyone keeps wondering and asking "what Al Shabaab want"... We must understand that terrorist groups like Al Shabaab organise in 4 broad levels. So what "they want" depends on what level "they are". The key to destroying them, might accordingly lie in figuring out what level the guys you're dealing with are at.

1. Financiers - aka. The owners. These guys are about the business. They couldn't care less about the fanaticism, as much they care to use it for profit. They trade mostly in reliability & being taken seriously by current & future underworld partners. True crazed fanatics never make it this far.

2. The specialists - These vary in degree of fanaticism. They can be mildly interested to bug-eyed crazy. What doesn't vary is the actual skill-set they bring to the table. Doctors, Imams, Writers, Bomb makers, hackers, drill sergeants, accountants, organisers, passport forgers etc etc. That is why even if their level of fanaticism was high enough for delirium & visions of Janna, they rarely get sent for the suicide missions. They function mostly like consultants and the org prefers to rely on the ones that aren't so crazy because they last longer and are more likely to avoid detection.

3. The Mujahideen - The deadly but expendable pawns. They tend to be 16-26yrs old and naive, removed from desperate situations & brought up on a cocktail of brainwashing, isolation & extreme fundamentalist teachings. They live only for the promise of Janna (Paradise). And its hard to blame them... the promised land has got to be better than where they came from or currently are at. But just in case a crisis of faith were to strike a mujahid, they are kept under close scrutiny & a rigorous training regimen to prevent their thinking too much &/or escape. So as a mujahid if you don't believe in Janna... you're pretty much still going to be sent there.

4. Supporters/ Sympathisers - These tend to be either the least skilled to the most volatile members of the organisation. No one will trust them with anything sensitive because they're more likely to fumble the situation rather than help. They tend to be the most vocal & incompetent. But they might still serve a useful purpose for rhetoric & small jobs now & then. Often asked to do so as "proof" of their allegiance. The truth though, is that from outside they might look like part of it but internally the "owners" see them more of as sympathisers. The organisation will most often tend to use sympathisers as red herrings or bait to muddy the water as various agencies hunt them down."

~ Fauz Noir ~



Very true..
Probably some of the 'owners' apart from the ones whos charcoal business in Kismayo and Jubaland was destroyed, the others have taken tea at WestgatE

That's exactly what I've been suspecting all day. Twisting Religion for selfish gains.
Shak
#1614 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:06:27 PM
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Posts: 2,449
Location: Africa
poundfoolish wrote:
smano wrote:
An insight into terrorism and the complexity:

C&P

"As everyone keeps wondering and asking "what Al Shabaab want"... We must understand that terrorist groups like Al Shabaab organise in 4 broad levels. So what "they want" depends on what level "they are". The key to destroying them, might accordingly lie in figuring out what level the guys you're dealing with are at.

1. Financiers - aka. The owners. These guys are about the business. They couldn't care less about the fanaticism, as much they care to use it for profit. They trade mostly in reliability & being taken seriously by current & future underworld partners. True crazed fanatics never make it this far.

2. The specialists - These vary in degree of fanaticism. They can be mildly interested to bug-eyed crazy. What doesn't vary is the actual skill-set they bring to the table. Doctors, Imams, Writers, Bomb makers, hackers, drill sergeants, accountants, organisers, passport forgers etc etc. That is why even if their level of fanaticism was high enough for delirium & visions of Janna, they rarely get sent for the suicide missions. They function mostly like consultants and the org prefers to rely on the ones that aren't so crazy because they last longer and are more likely to avoid detection.

3. The Mujahideen - The deadly but expendable pawns. They tend to be 16-26yrs old and naive, removed from desperate situations & brought up on a cocktail of brainwashing, isolation & extreme fundamentalist teachings. They live only for the promise of Janna (Paradise). And its hard to blame them... the promised land has got to be better than where they came from or currently are at. But just in case a crisis of faith were to strike a mujahid, they are kept under close scrutiny & a rigorous training regimen to prevent their thinking too much &/or escape. So as a mujahid if you don't believe in Janna... you're pretty much still going to be sent there.

4. Supporters/ Sympathisers - These tend to be either the least skilled to the most volatile members of the organisation. No one will trust them with anything sensitive because they're more likely to fumble the situation rather than help. They tend to be the most vocal & incompetent. But they might still serve a useful purpose for rhetoric & small jobs now & then. Often asked to do so as "proof" of their allegiance. The truth though, is that from outside they might look like part of it but internally the "owners" see them more of as sympathisers. The organisation will most often tend to use sympathisers as red herrings or bait to muddy the water as various agencies hunt them down."

~ Fauz Noir ~



Very true..
Probably some of the 'owners' apart from the ones whos charcoal business in Kismayo and Jubaland was destroyed, the others have taken tea at WestgatE

the last category are the clientele. The ones willing to buy the product. I wonder what the market demand is like at the moment. This attack was for marketing- to show what's on offer
harrydre
#1615 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:40:52 PM
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Agreed. Ole Lenku appears too soft and weak for this position. You need a tough mean looking man there.



i.am.back!!!!
harrydre
#1616 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:46:00 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
This picture was taken on Monday afternoon. No roof had collapsed then. Just a burning generator room. Set alight by KDF as it turns out.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-...7111504_314416129_n.jpg


Fast forward to Tuesday, when we were 'in control of all floors'. The site was rubble. Check this video confirmation- http://www.youtube.com/w...YI&feature=youtu.be


There are so many questions to be answered at the right time.


we need to get the facts first. like for example, how do we know the terrorists didn't have bombs that they detonated causing the floors to collapse?
i.am.back!!!!
butterflyke
#1617 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:46:16 PM
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harrydre wrote:


Agreed. Ole Lenku appears too soft and weak for this position. You need a tough mean looking man there.





looking mean and tough won't cut it.
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vky
#1618 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:52:23 PM
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from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists
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Bigchick
#1619 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:54:46 PM
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smano wrote:
Magigi wrote:


Kizungu ngumu sana!


Insignificant???

Shame on you



Ngai....Insignificant......Noooooo!

He must have got a Dminus in English.

Borrowed ......"Ati he said the stuation in Westgate was delicacy"

Who heard that?
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murchr
#1620 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:58:59 PM
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vky wrote:
from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists


So some escaped
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