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Impunity
#3201 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:15:34 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




Sorry, meant the contrary!

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VituVingiSana
#3202 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:45:19 PM
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enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions
One of the daftest comments I have come across in a while.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .During my case study of a certain species of sharks (layman- bull shark ) I realized they were aggressive species and loved to dominate in this case Pacific Ocean . They would constantly harass the dolphins ,and other species in the shark genus.underneath the belly there exist a pilot fish that no one knows it exists and the bull shark would constantly ridicule or mock the pilot fish for its inability to do aggressive attacks rather be a dependent of the shark for meals . The pilot fish would take the heat but let the bull shark do the careless aggressive and scathing hunting as it slowly feeds on the best carefully selected nutritive foods that the shark leaves .when the Chinese shark hunters came to the waters it was the shark fin they were after and never pilot fish . The pilot fish could swim away and look for another host since the aggressive master full of pride is in someone's dinner soup.

@obiero I fly to Dulles time to time and I don't like the service I get from ET. I wish there was a non daftest idea I could give kq but nothing would give me pride than to fly in my own Kenyan kq brand . I would love to see kq go to its glory again. Business wise it might be struggling right now but I'm sure with wise leadership it will rise . Wish they can look into the price of USA to Kenya .it comes ahead of patriotism

@eynands - You were advocating raising tariifs/fees/costs on US carriers as a way of protecting KQ when it accesses the US market. That's silly at best. There are bilateral agreements in place and frankly KQ needs the US more than the US carriers need Kenya.

slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route

That doesn't really help KQ which will be told quid pro quo. Plus this would only give KQ the chutzpah to provide poor services at an inflated price driving away passengers to BA, Turkish, Emirates and even to ET.

Let the US carriers compete with KQ on a level playing field between NBO & USA. We need daily flights to the USA since the USA can be an even bigger tourist market for us.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Cde Monomotapa
#3203 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:00:41 PM
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Other than redirecting traffic, time factor and diaspora, I don't see much more value out the US route upfront too. Spend tons of money in compliance.

You know, where others see gold, others rake muck.

We'll see.
enyands
#3204 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:12:12 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions
One of the daftest comments I have come across in a while.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .During my case study of a certain species of sharks (layman- bull shark ) I realized they were aggressive species and loved to dominate in this case Pacific Ocean . They would constantly harass the dolphins ,and other species in the shark genus.underneath the belly there exist a pilot fish that no one knows it exists and the bull shark would constantly ridicule or mock the pilot fish for its inability to do aggressive attacks rather be a dependent of the shark for meals . The pilot fish would take the heat but let the bull shark do the careless aggressive and scathing hunting as it slowly feeds on the best carefully selected nutritive foods that the shark leaves .when the Chinese shark hunters came to the waters it was the shark fin they were after and never pilot fish . The pilot fish could swim away and look for another host since the aggressive master full of pride is in someone's dinner soup.

@obiero I fly to Dulles time to time and I don't like the service I get from ET. I wish there was a non daftest idea I could give kq but nothing would give me pride than to fly in my own Kenyan kq brand . I would love to see kq go to its glory again. Business wise it might be struggling right now but I'm sure with wise leadership it will rise . Wish they can look into the price of USA to Kenya .it comes ahead of patriotism

@eynands - You were advocating raising tariifs/fees/costs on US carriers as a way of protecting KQ when it accesses the US market. That's silly at best. There are bilateral agreements in place and frankly KQ needs the US more than the US carriers need Kenya.

slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route

That doesn't really help KQ which will be told quid pro quo. Plus this would only give KQ the chutzpah to provide poor services at an inflated price driving away passengers to BA, Turkish, Emirates and even to ET.

Let the US carriers compete with KQ on a level playing field between NBO & USA. We need daily flights to the USA since the USA can be an even bigger tourist market for us.


How's ET managing professor and don't mention crap about dictatorial regime coz you can't pull that crap with Americans .
VituVingiSana
#3205 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:18:54 PM
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enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions
One of the daftest comments I have come across in a while.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .During my case study of a certain species of sharks (layman- bull shark ) I realized they were aggressive species and loved to dominate in this case Pacific Ocean . They would constantly harass the dolphins ,and other species in the shark genus.underneath the belly there exist a pilot fish that no one knows it exists and the bull shark would constantly ridicule or mock the pilot fish for its inability to do aggressive attacks rather be a dependent of the shark for meals . The pilot fish would take the heat but let the bull shark do the careless aggressive and scathing hunting as it slowly feeds on the best carefully selected nutritive foods that the shark leaves .when the Chinese shark hunters came to the waters it was the shark fin they were after and never pilot fish . The pilot fish could swim away and look for another host since the aggressive master full of pride is in someone's dinner soup.

@obiero I fly to Dulles time to time and I don't like the service I get from ET. I wish there was a non daftest idea I could give kq but nothing would give me pride than to fly in my own Kenyan kq brand . I would love to see kq go to its glory again. Business wise it might be struggling right now but I'm sure with wise leadership it will rise . Wish they can look into the price of USA to Kenya .it comes ahead of patriotism

@eynands - You were advocating raising tariifs/fees/costs on US carriers as a way of protecting KQ when it accesses the US market. That's silly at best. There are bilateral agreements in place and frankly KQ needs the US more than the US carriers need Kenya.

slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route

That doesn't really help KQ which will be told quid pro quo. Plus this would only give KQ the chutzpah to provide poor services at an inflated price driving away passengers to BA, Turkish, Emirates and even to ET.

Let the US carriers compete with KQ on a level playing field between NBO & USA. We need daily flights to the USA since the USA can be an even bigger tourist market for us.


How's ET managing professor and don't mention crap about dictatorial regime coz you can't pull that crap with Americans .

1) ET is part of an alliance with a US carrier. It probably code-shares. Plus I doubt US carriers are denied flying into Addis but they might not want to for economic reasons. Nairobi is more attractive since Kenya has better connectivity for more airlines.

http://iipdigital.usemba...738rehsif0.6838343.html

2) There are very Ethiopians in the US who use ET & I expect KQ to benefit from the Kenyan diaspora.
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Cde Monomotapa
#3206 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:22:14 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Other than redirecting traffic, time factor and diaspora, I don't see much more value out the US route upfront too. Spend tons of money in compliance.

You know, where others see gold, others rake muck.

We'll see.


HOWEVER;

If we see more of the following, especially from Delta, then maybe...

China Southern airlines move into Africa’s growing aviation space

Quote:
As China emerges as the continent’s largest trading partner, the number of Chinese business and leisure travelers to the continent has seen major players in aviation like China Southern airlines putting their foot in the game.

In East Africa, local carriers, Ethiopian Airlines and Kenya Airways dominated flights between the region and the Chinese mainland. China’s Civil Aviation Administration says more than 120,000 passengers traveled between China and Kenya last year, with 28 percent of them going through Guangzhou. Chinese carriers are now returning the favor, arranging code sharing agreements with local players to triple the number.
http://cctv-africa.com/2...-growing-aviation-space/
Impunity
#3207 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:11:51 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Other than redirecting traffic, time factor and diaspora, I don't see much more value out the US route upfront too. Spend tons of money in compliance.

You know, where others see gold, others rake muck.

We'll see.


Ata mimi naona hiyo muck!
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Cde Monomotapa
#3208 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:14:45 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Other than redirecting traffic, time factor and diaspora, I don't see much more value out the US route upfront too. Spend tons of money in compliance.

You know, where others see gold, others rake muck.

We'll see.


Ata mimi naona hiyo muck!


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Swenani
#3209 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:38:42 PM
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enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
enyands
#3210 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:52:14 PM
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Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty



Sir I disagree .Iv used it four times so I know what I'm saying.its one way from Dulles to Addis then later from Addis to Kenya .but when you leave ethiopia that's when it goes through Dublin or Switzerland then Dulles
kayhara
#3211 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:13:03 PM
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Guys must the direct Kq flights to US be daily or weekly? No they can do twice a month ama?
To Each His Own
Swenani
#3212 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:14:48 PM
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enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty



Sir I disagree .Iv used it four times so I know what I'm saying.its one way from Dulles to Addis then later from Addis to Kenya .but when you leave ethiopia that's when it goes through Dublin or Switzerland then Dulles


Aren't we saying the same thing about the route?

On capacity,the return leg is always almost half empty except for monday flight
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
enyands
#3213 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:37:01 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
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Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty



Sir I disagree .Iv used it four times so I know what I'm saying.its one way from Dulles to Addis then later from Addis to Kenya .but when you leave ethiopia that's when it goes through Dublin or Switzerland then Dulles


Aren't we saying the same thing about the route?

On capacity,the return leg is always almost half empty except for monday flight


yeah i agreed'oh! nilikuwa baado fired up with story ya DJ screwing us big time with our money so i wasnt concetrating that much on what u said .yeah i agree
VituVingiSana
#3214 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 5:34:10 PM
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Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty



Sir I disagree .Iv used it four times so I know what I'm saying.its one way from Dulles to Addis then later from Addis to Kenya .but when you leave ethiopia that's when it goes through Dublin or Switzerland then Dulles


Aren't we saying the same thing about the route?

On capacity,the return leg is always almost half empty except for monday flight
Yes, you are saying the same thing.
What KQ needs to do is have a 'semi-direct' flight that goes from NBO-West Africa [Accra comes to mind] onwards to DC/NYC using a 787 or 777. And the same of the return. The Kenyan US-bound pax do not disembark in ACC. The halt is for 2 hours.
KQ could carry NBO-ACC pax as well. Plus pick up pax in ACC who are US-bound. It requires cooperation with Ghanaian authorities.

Advantages: KQ gets NBO-ACC traffic [which replaces a 737 flight but 787s & 777s have more cargo space] as well as ACC-USA traffic. Many West Africans use ACC to fly to the US.

On the return, the belly space is also full [Ghanaians don't travel light] from USA-ACC then pick up pax in ACC for NBO [replacing a 737].

Disadvantages: Delta flies to 3x NYC-ACC so there's competition.
[But they can code-share or have a JV i.e. Delta flies one leg while KQ can flies the other OR they can book pax on each other's legs to/fro USA or beyond, etc.]
Is there enough traffic for year round flights? Generally these flights are run 3x per week with cutbacks during slow periods to 2 flights/week. 3 flights/week allow for a single plane to be used on the route.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Impunity
#3215 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:23:43 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,330
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Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty


Do you even know why the Addis to Dulles has to stop at Dublin, ama ni pararaparara tu?
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Impunity
#3216 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:27:44 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty



Sir I disagree .Iv used it four times so I know what I'm saying.its one way from Dulles to Addis then later from Addis to Kenya .but when you leave ethiopia that's when it goes through Dublin or Switzerland then Dulles


Aren't we saying the same thing about the route?

On capacity,the return leg is always almost half empty except for monday flight
Yes, you are saying the same thing.
What KQ needs to do is have a 'semi-direct' flight that goes from NBO-West Africa [Accra comes to mind] onwards to DC/NYC using a 787 or 777. And the same of the return. The Kenyan US-bound pax do not disembark in ACC. The halt is for 2 hours.
KQ could carry NBO-ACC pax as well. Plus pick up pax in ACC who are US-bound. It requires cooperation with Ghanaian authorities.

Advantages: KQ gets NBO-ACC traffic [which replaces a 737 flight but 787s & 777s have more cargo space] as well as ACC-USA traffic. Many West Africans use ACC to fly to the US.

On the return, the belly space is also full [Ghanaians don't travel light] from USA-ACC then pick up pax in ACC for NBO [replacing a 737].

Disadvantages: Delta flies to 3x NYC-ACC so there's competition.
[But they can code-share or have a JV i.e. Delta flies one leg while KQ can flies the other OR they can book pax on each other's legs to/fro USA or beyond, etc.]
Is there enough traffic for year round flights? Generally these flights are run 3x per week with cutbacks during slow periods to 2 flights/week. 3 flights/week allow for a single plane to be used on the route.


Its glaringly clear that the route will NOT be profitable. I would rather Obiero Code-share downloading all the pax in Accra to a US bound carrier like Delta or United.

Crossing the Atlantic half full and doing sometimes once a week is a MASSIVE loss.

But who am I?
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enyands
#3217 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:29:56 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty


Do you even know why the Addis to Dulles has to stop at Dublin, ama ni pararaparara tu?


It stops on its way from Addis and not from usa . If that's what you are asking then I think it's pick more passengers or to refuel .I'm not an expert on that .all we talk about is flight from usa to ethiopia not ethiopia to usa .Laughing out loudly hope @swenani I got this one right
Impunity
#3218 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:26:18 PM
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enyands wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Swenani wrote:
enyands wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


This is akin to the blunt noises being made by Jubilee gaaament that about 90% of all public primary schools are not?? connected to the grid.
Of what importance is thitima to schools which operates between 7.30am and 5pm?

Now with this news do you see a KQ flight to US direct or other American airlines doing the same?




monopoly needed here just like the ET.there is no other airlines flying to ethiopia from usa apart from ET,having said that then we should do the same. slap the american airlines with higher tarrifs,taxes,vat and parking charges till they shy away from that route.though this might lead to more sanctions


The US-Africa route is not profitable for most airlines, How many Africans travel to US on a weekly basis or how many African diasporans in US travel to Africa annually?

It's estimated that only 10-15 % of US population travel of which around 80% is for leisure travel but only 3 % of the leisure travellers visit Africa(S.A, Egypty,Morocco and Tunisia taking a big chunk of those travellers)


Kwani how is ET making it to come to Africa Ethiopia from Dulles almost everyday .kenya seems to have more of an economic hub than Ethiopia ..forget diasporans ,all they need are subsidies for reduced fare that's it .they will come flocking


It doesn't fly direct,ET flies to Dublin first before flying to Dulles,It's only the return leg where it flies direct from US of A to Addis and it's always less than half empty


Do you even know why the Addis to Dulles has to stop at Dublin, ama ni pararaparara tu?


It stops on its way from Addis and not from usa . If that's what you are asking then I think it's pick more passengers or to refuel .I'm not an expert on that .all we talk about is flight from usa to ethiopia not ethiopia to usa .Laughing out loudly hope @swenani I got this one right


You even DONT know the laws governing international flights.
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#3219 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:49:20 PM
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@Obiero,eti mmeuza mbili huko US?
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

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#3220 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:37:51 PM
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May be they can make more money selling aircrafts than flying.

What is the commission like if one sells an aircraft ?
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