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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
FRM2011
#1591 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:00:16 PM
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hardwood wrote:


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?[/quote]

Actually 99% is very good. Make that exceptional. The remaining 1% will be identified by an alternative process already anchored in the amended elections act.

The key thing here is to make sure those cases where BVR fails are not deliberate.

Can you imagine if 50 polling stations in Bondo report massive BVR failure ? Even I would rather kirudiwo. I hope we can look beyond 2017.

If we leave these loopholes unsealed, there is a shrewd protagonist angling for the 2022 polls who can take us back 20 years. Sly, cunning and ruthless with only one goal. State capture for personal enrichment.
hardwood
#1592 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:04:34 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?


Actually 99% is very good. Make that exceptional. The remaining 1% will be identified by an alternative process already anchored in the amended elections act.

The key thing here is to make sure those cases where BVR fails are not deliberate.

Can you imagine if 50 polling stations in Bondo report massive BVR failure ? Even I would rather kirudiwo. I hope we can look beyond 2017.

If we leave these loopholes unsealed, there is a shrewd protagonist angling for the 2022 polls who can take us back 20 years. Sly, cunning and ruthless with only one goal. State capture for personal enrichment.


Now I do understand your support for NASA..... and BVR kits.
FRM2011
#1593 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:09:10 PM
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hardwood wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:


99% is not good enough, it must ensure 100% success. Otherwise the affected 1% must not be disenfranchised because of some stupid gadget/technology. Can you imagine the chaos where 410 polling stations (i.e 1% of kenyas 41000 polling stations) are grounded because the kits failed?


Actually 99% is very good. Make that exceptional. The remaining 1% will be identified by an alternative process already anchored in the amended elections act.

The key thing here is to make sure those cases where BVR fails are not deliberate.

Can you imagine if 50 polling stations in Bondo report massive BVR failure ? Even I would rather kirudiwo. I hope we can look beyond 2017.

If we leave these loopholes unsealed, there is a shrewd protagonist angling for the 2022 polls who can take us back 20 years. Sly, cunning and ruthless with only one goal. State capture for personal enrichment.


Now I do understand your support for NASA..... and BVR kits.


Can see you are a sharp guy. Like our people say, "Mundu mugi ndaari miheere ya uhoro"
KulaRaha
#1594 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:16:40 PM
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Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.
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murchr
#1595 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:17:42 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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KulaRaha
#1596 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:24:45 PM
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murchr wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!


Oh well, once we go there, it is impossible to convince anyone the polls are credible.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Liv
#1597 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:30:42 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Liv wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.

Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election


And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now?


Its a coin toss, Uhuruto's body language and frantic campaigning says it all


How did you conclude that it is a coin toss? Those polls that are showing Jubilee in will get 28% of all nairobi votes? Is that your new reality?

And how is Uhuru's body language showing you the new reality?

murchr
#1598 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:31:28 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
murchr wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!


Oh well, once we go there, it is impossible to convince anyone the polls are credible.


The polls are not credible because of machines. Look at Trump vs Hillary. Trump thinks un registered illegals voted hence Hillary won the popular vote. On the other hand, Democrats want to know if Russia interfered with their voting machines.

All in all, the loser always has something to say.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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FRM2011
#1599 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:33:00 PM
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murchr wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Someone tell me, if the BVRs fail like last time, do we go through the usual process of looking through a list and hoping to find our name?

It was a nightmare in 2013, and when they told us BVRs had failed, everyone at the polling station knew cooking had begun.

I would support delaying until BVRs start working.


YES!


From what IEBC is explaining, incidences where the kit fails to identify the voter are supposed to be very few or none at all.

The alternative process is crazy. A specific form will have to be filled for each case where the KIEMS system fails to identify you as a voter. Then all party agents are summoned to the desk by the presiding officer. A search for your name is done still on the system. If they are in agreement, you are allowed to vote.

At the end of the day, the presiding officer has to file a return of the cases where electronic identification failed.

From the foregoing, we can conclude that IEBC is working on the assumption that these cases will be vey few.

In the event of a kit not working, the have pledged to have another delivered within 1 hour.

I am really hoping and praying that IEBC succeeds.

As a NASA supporter, if I were to make a choice between Rao losing in a clean election or winning in a disputed one, I would rather we lose any day.
wazuaguest
#1600 Posted : Monday, July 24, 2017 4:50:23 PM
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@FRM2011 is RAO showing up for the debate?or that is top secret?
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