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tycho
#151 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:40:48 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.
The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.


Psychological time is a creation of our own minds. It doesn't really exist. Time in space does exist,when something changes from one state to another,that is time.Without time,space would be constant.

@simonkabz - Me I do it for a break.There are days I just need to relax my mind and make a few mistakes.


The mind exists.


I think it does but I have no clue what it is.


The mind is the perception system of ultimate being.
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ChessMaster
#152 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:48:40 PM
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What is ultimate being if not God?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Impunity
#153 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:51:03 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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tycho
#154 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:51:18 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
What is ultimate being if not God?


Yes. God, is ultimate being.
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ChessMaster
#155 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:57:41 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
What is ultimate being if not God?


Yes. God, is ultimate being.



Applause

When I understood that,i realized why the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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tycho
#156 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:04:33 PM
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Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!


The question you have asked uses 'time' in two ways at the same time.

First you use it as a concept, and you finish by using it as an essence.

Therefore you cannot get a 'true' answer.

But time and eternity are compatible. And there's neither beginning or ending, in essence.
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ChessMaster
#157 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:07:14 PM
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Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Another question,does space have a beginning?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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josiah33
#158 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:21:02 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.

Try and figure out what this mean, maybe there's some clue there-
Quote:
eternity is neither infinitely back from the present moment nor infinitely ahead from the present moment, eternity is contained in atemporal space, it meaning in this present moment.


I am having a headache just trying to understand what that means.
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ChessMaster
#159 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:32:02 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.

Try and figure out what this mean, maybe there's some clue there-
Quote:
eternity is neither infinitely back from the present moment nor infinitely ahead from the present moment, eternity is contained in atemporal space, it's meaning in this present moment.


I am having a headache just trying to understand what that means.


Eternity starts with 0+1+1+....infinity. You can't infinitely count back to the past because you reach to zero at some point.The start. Each moment of progression is a moment in eternity because even eternity plays out moment by moment.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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tycho
#160 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:35:28 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Another question,does space have a beginning?


Your question again falls into the above trap.

And thinking about it, it was the same trap that led to the 'Tychonic system' which was Tycho Brahe's attempt to reconcile religion and science in the early days of the Scientific revolution.

He was sure that Man was 'the' center of the universe, but natural science, had shown that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, even in terms of 'attention'.

Tycho had to cling on the idea that the sun and moon moved around the earth, while the other planets revolved around the sun.

But now we can modify the Tychonic system as:

Man, is the Unifier of the perception to ultimate being, and is thus, at 'the' center of the universe.
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