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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
maka
#15351 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2022 8:43:16 AM
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Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.

Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability.

Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries



Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough.



Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here.

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obiero
#15352 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2022 1:14:48 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.

Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability.

Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries



Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough.



Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here.


@maka come clean bwana. you know majority were dismissals and not voluntary exits, how do we pay arrears to a dismissed staff

KQ ABP 4.26
maka
#15353 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2022 6:06:11 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.

Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability.

Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries



Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough.



Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here.


@maka come clean bwana. you know majority were dismissals and not voluntary exits, how do we pay arrears to a dismissed staff



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https://allafrica.com/stories/202111080310.html
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obiero
#15354 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2022 2:07:17 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=My 2 cents]Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.

Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability.

Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries



Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough.



Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here.


@maka come clean bwana. you know majority were dismissals and not voluntary exits, how do we pay arrears to a dismissed staff



Always the comedian...🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://allafrica.com/stories/202111080310.html[/quote]
These were terminations. Recall comes with new contract. Hatulipi. The airline lost 1,123 employees to close 2020 with 3,652, in a period when coronavirus-related air travel restrictions saw it record the highest loss in its history.

Half of the airline staff left through resignations or voluntary early retirements.

KQ ABP 4.26
chiaroscuro
#15355 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2022 9:43:53 AM
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Joined: 2/2/2012
Posts: 1,134
Location: Nairobi
Haiya!
@Obiero is still on thing?
obiero
#15356 Posted : Friday, April 01, 2022 2:40:03 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
chiaroscuro wrote:
Haiya!
@Obiero is still on thing?

De ting ting. Millions zangu ziko hapo bana. I can't
just forget about it

KQ ABP 4.26
aemathenge
#15357 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2022 11:24:49 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
obiero
#15358 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2022 6:33:39 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
aemathenge wrote:

It will be bought. Hope is eternal. Like a phoenix, The Pride of Africa is rising https://www.businessdail...bn-state-bailout-3783006

KQ ABP 4.26
Zichi
#15359 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2022 12:14:58 PM
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Joined: 5/24/2017
Posts: 44
I haven't seen a number of KQ 737s on flight radar lately. Has the restructuring began?
maka
#15360 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2022 10:39:48 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Zichi wrote:
I haven't seen a number of KQ 737s on flight radar lately. Has the restructuring began?



I believe some have been grounded... Actually some site shows a couple haven't operated for more than 20 days... Let me ask my intelligence officers on the ground.
What I know is that suspensions have been thrown left, right and center esp in the Engineering Dept...
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