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Ericsson
#15301 Posted : Friday, December 24, 2021 9:11:41 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
They should just go ahead and nationalise KQ. That's the only option to keep KQ going. It will operate at a perpetual loss for years to come; only the state can do this at tax payers expense.

No, GoK should NOT nationalize KQ. Let it die and a "New KQ" can take over the old KQ minus the debts.


Or better off we should forget about owning a national airline.
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kmucheke
#15302 Posted : Friday, December 24, 2021 12:00:17 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
They should just go ahead and nationalise KQ. That's the only option to keep KQ going. It will operate at a perpetual loss for years to come; only the state can do this at tax payers expense.

No, GoK should NOT nationalize KQ. Let it die and a "New KQ" can take over the old KQ minus the debts.


Or better off we should forget about owning a national airline.


Sunk cost fallacy and pride won't allow KQ to be abandoned.
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obiero
#15303 Posted : Saturday, December 25, 2021 5:13:48 PM
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kmucheke wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
They should just go ahead and nationalise KQ. That's the only option to keep KQ going. It will operate at a perpetual loss for years to come; only the state can do this at tax payers expense.

No, GoK should NOT nationalize KQ. Let it die and a "New KQ" can take over the old KQ minus the debts.


Or better off we should forget about owning a national airline.


Sunk cost fallacy and pride won't allow KQ to be abandoned.

The truth

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HaMaina
#15304 Posted : Sunday, December 26, 2021 10:44:21 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
They should just go ahead and nationalise KQ. That's the only option to keep KQ going. It will operate at a perpetual loss for years to come; only the state can do this at tax payers expense.

No, GoK should NOT nationalize KQ. Let it die and a "New KQ" can take over the old KQ minus the debts.


Or better off we should forget about owning a national airline.
State abandons KQ takeover.
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obiero
#15305 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2021 4:31:39 PM
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Ericsson
#15306 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2021 11:06:59 PM
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[quote=obiero]Good things https://www.businessdail...hts-high-demand-3662158[/quote]

Losses will widen
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obiero
#15307 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2022 5:26:18 PM
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Suspension of KQ shares NSE trading extended for 12 months

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obiero
#15308 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2022 5:39:11 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
kmucheke wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline.

sparkly wrote:
East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.

EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.

Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.

Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.

A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.


Egos. Everyone wants their own airline. TZ and UG have refused to learn from KQ. The smart ones are RW who roped in Qatar as the Sugar Daddy who is also financing the new airport.

Yes RwandaAir seems to have learnt after making losses year after year and having a high CEO turnover rate.

They sold their soul. National pride is a serious thing, ask the USA


None of their airlines is owned by the state/Federal government

You are an intelligent investor so you must know about the state support via subsidy https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52101665
What @Ericsson said was None of their airlines is owned by the state/Federal government
*I will qualify and say no commercial airline since that's the thrust of this discussion.
The US airlines were forced into loss-making by the travel bans. Even SWA felt the pain.
To that extent - travel ban - I feel for KQ too but KQ's problems predate COVID. Losses since 2012.

Well, PPP was shot down. Now you and fellow Kenyans will have to buy my shares.. I repeat, national pride is key. Bailouts are about saving face. USA did it, Kenya will do it


We are broke 😔

It’s done. Kwisha https://www.businessdail...ys-merger-runway-3672246

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Ericsson
#15309 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2022 7:05:16 PM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
kmucheke wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline.

[quote=sparkly]East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.

EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.

Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.

Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.

A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.


Egos. Everyone wants their own airline. TZ and UG have refused to learn from KQ. The smart ones are RW who roped in Qatar as the Sugar Daddy who is also financing the new airport.

Yes RwandaAir seems to have learnt after making losses year after year and having a high CEO turnover rate.

They sold their soul. National pride is a serious thing, ask the USA


None of their airlines is owned by the state/Federal government

You are an intelligent investor so you must know about the state support via subsidy https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52101665
What @Ericsson said was None of their airlines is owned by the state/Federal government
*I will qualify and say no commercial airline since that's the thrust of this discussion.
The US airlines were forced into loss-making by the travel bans. Even SWA felt the pain.
To that extent - travel ban - I feel for KQ too but KQ's problems predate COVID. Losses since 2012.

Well, PPP was shot down. Now you and fellow Kenyans will have to buy my shares.. I repeat, national pride is key. Bailouts are about saving face. USA did it, Kenya will do it


We are broke 😔

It’s done. Kwisha https://www.businessdail...s-merger-runway-3672246[/quote]


South Africa Airways have vehemently denied any merger plans.

https://www.breakingtrav...es-kenya-airways-merger/
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HaMaina
#15310 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:04:53 PM
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obiero wrote:
Suspension of KQ shares NSE trading extended for 12 months


KQ minority investors trapped as recovery plan takes new twist
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