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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,211 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida...  Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline. Imagine KQ, SAA and FlyET as one large carrier
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida... Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline. Imagine KQ, SAA and FlyET as one large carrier Imagine, men washing the dishes Women gone to work Then your wife come home drunk on payday Beat you up, she a making joke Imagine, women organising Beauty contest for we And a some hard fool fellas like me Walking 'cross the stage in a bikini, imagine... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,211 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:Consolidation is happening even in the banking industry but when airlines embark on the same strategy we draw the line? Like Dubai bank and imperial bank consolidating? Shida... Public relations stunts by the CEO. If he was serious enough, we should have seen him adding KQ flights out of JNB to take advantage of SAA's predicament i.e. when they ceased operations in 2020. He did nothing at all only to emerge and sign some imaginary things like pan african airline. Ethiopian is already a pan african airline. Imagine KQ, SAA and FlyET as one large carrier Imagine, men washing the dishes Women gone to work Then your wife come home drunk on payday Beat you up, she a making joke Imagine, women organising Beauty contest for we And a some hard fool fellas like me Walking 'cross the stage in a bikini, imagine... Imagine https://www.businessdail...nal-airline-2023-3630180
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
I am with you on this.... possunt quia posse videntur
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CMA bars ailing companies from share buybacks“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,211 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
I am with you on this.... A threesome
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
I am with you on this.... A threesome Smh...  possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,344 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
Egos. Everyone wants their own airline. TZ and UG have refused to learn from KQ. The smart ones are RW who roped in Qatar as the Sugar Daddy who is also financing the new airport. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:My position remains that instead of signing pacts with insolvent SAA, GOK should lobby other EAC countries to form a public regional airline. sparkly wrote:East African Community members need to rethink their aviation sectors or thier dreams of connecting the world and national pride will remain unachievable.
EAC has a fleet size of 60 planes flying to 89 destinations (Kenya 40-53; Rwandaair 12-23; Tanzania 8-13) Uganda, Burundi, South Sudan do not have national carriers. EAC stats are dwarfed regionally by Ethiopian Airlines which has a fleet of 112 flying 125 passenger and 40 cargo destinations.
Compared to international Middle Eastern "competitors" flying regionally like Emirates (258 planes, 158 destinations) and Turkish (336 planes, 304 destinations) EAC carriers are really puny.
Debt ladden EAC carriers (where they exist) are playing in the village league under delusion that they are competing with international counterparts. Only collaborative effort will lead to meaningful impact in the sector. EAC member countries should dissolve their airlines and form an East African Airline (Call it Safari Airlines). Countries without their own airlines like Uganda and Burundi should invest in the new East African Airline.
A collaborative East African Airline will have monopoly in East & Central Africa, challenge the regional giants based on bigger capital base and economies of scale.
Egos. Everyone wants their own airline. TZ and UG have refused to learn from KQ. The smart ones are RW who roped in Qatar as the Sugar Daddy who is also financing the new airport. Yes RwandaAir seems to have learnt after making losses year after year and having a high CEO turnover rate.
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