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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012.  So who WANTS these posts and have paid MN? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,590
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Magigi wrote:Security organs knew of attack in advance, claims Nairobi Senator Mike Sonko Nairobi Senator Mike Sonko sensationally told the Senate that security organs and intelligence officers were aware of an impending attack on key areas in Nairobi, including the Westgate Mall.
Sonko claimed that he had helped two women of either Asian or Arabic origin to offer information to police on Al-Shabaab militiamen who were targeting sections of Nairobi. He gave the revelations as the Senate took time off its business to discuss the terror attack on the mall.
He said the women had approached him three months ago with information to the effect that the gang, which had rented a house in Parklands and Westlands, were planning a major attack.
“They mentioned Westgate Mall, Village Market, Parliament and the Kenyatta International Conference Centre as their targets,” claimed Sonko.
He said the two women were initially living with the gang in the rented houses but had escaped after being showed the items that the suspects were preparing for the attack.We were busy busy blocking Raila from accessing VIP lounges when Kenyans of goodwill were providing us with information... if this is true then i will need to remove my goggles, it is a tragic failure! I will have to agree with Mutahi. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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Uhuru needs to act firm and make sure heads roll otherwise the picture that's is now emerging to prospective investors and tourists is this "Some experts said the response also showed how the government of Mr. Kenyatta, who was elected this year, is still finding its feet on counterterrorism issues. "The president is really brand new at this and just doesn't have a lot of experience in big time governance at any level," said Henry Crumpton, a former top counterterrorism official at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency who worked in Kenya. That inexperience may have prolonged the attack, said Daniel Benjamin, a former top State Department counterterrorism official. "Part of the reason the attack was so devastating is the Kenyans' lack of experience with a situation like this." http://online.wsj.com/ar...?ru=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itp
"Such crossed wires are perhaps understandable in the face of the worst terrorist attack the east African country has experienced since the American embassy bombings in 1998, but the government will need its credibility more than ever once the crisis does come to an end. That is when it will seek to assure investors, tourists and ex-pat workers that Kenya is safe and that the security services can protect them." http://www.economist.com.../attack-kenya-0#comments
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:Security organs knew of attack in advance, claims Nairobi Senator Mike Sonko Nairobi Senator Mike Sonko sensationally told the Senate that security organs and intelligence officers were aware of an impending attack on key areas in Nairobi, including the Westgate Mall.
Sonko claimed that he had helped two women of either Asian or Arabic origin to offer information to police on Al-Shabaab militiamen who were targeting sections of Nairobi. He gave the revelations as the Senate took time off its business to discuss the terror attack on the mall.
He said the women had approached him three months ago with information to the effect that the gang, which had rented a house in Parklands and Westlands, were planning a major attack.
“They mentioned Westgate Mall, Village Market, Parliament and the Kenyatta International Conference Centre as their targets,” claimed Sonko.
He said the two women were initially living with the gang in the rented houses but had escaped after being showed the items that the suspects were preparing for the attack.We were busy busy blocking Raila from accessing VIP lounges when Kenyans of goodwill were providing us with information... if this is true then i will need to remove my goggles, it is a tragic failure! I will have to agree with Mutahi. How Can you believe Sonko.. who we know has been accused of similar actions? Cant you see mind games here? Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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PEV with losses of over 1000 lives and displacement of almost 1 million people did not move the conscious of the nation. This too will be forgotten very soon and status quo remains. Only a catastrophe of unimaginable proportions will move this nation to act decisively.Read history and see what moved nations- Hiroshima,WW1&2,Jewish Massacre etc, People die on our roads we complain for a week and the same police whom we all know are corrupt to the core still remain on our roads. Teachers strike year in year out and no action ever addresses their long-term concerns.Grenades are hurledn and kill innocent Kenyans and business resumes as usual. How many of us in Wazua are willing to send our children to elite schools and allow them to be security personnel? We have left key issues like security to dimwits and this has come to haunt us. My 2 cents "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,590
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Am wrote:
How Can you believe Sonko.. who we know has been accused of similar actions? Cant you see mind games here?
Unless you are saying it was all a ndrama+video, those were real people dying for our mistakes, gava needs a major overhaul, sonkos claims are coming from a Kenyan + Nairobi Senator! That must be a claim that must be investigated or simply believed or not believed, in the meanwhile....the terrorist were living in that area..If it is to be believed, the entire public service, leave alone what mutahi has mentioned, needs overhaul! I mean some of these guys were "thrust" upon gava, from i donno where, some interviewed by a public service lady, at some place, some is baggage from Kibaki, who should have enforced their retirement, we need to face the facts, overhaul ni lazima, otherwise the engine will knock! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Much as i want to laud our Kdf boys, has anyone confirmed whether indeed any hostage was evacuated from the time they took over?
The image of the guy whose wife and 2 year old son were trapped and assumed to be among the hostages is haunting me over and over. ( i have a three year old son).
Was it really necessary for the KDF to use explosives as reported in the nation? Or could it be that all hostages had been executed by then?
There is a big difference between the president's speech on sunday and yesterday with regard to the fate of hostages. On sunday he over emphasized the need to rescue them. Yesterday, there was no mention of the hostages.
His excellency the president promised a full accountability. My take is that the truth will give everyone a closure and more importantly, a learning opportunity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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This picture was taken on Monday afternoon. No roof had collapsed then. Just a burning generator room. Set alight by KDF as it turns out. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-...7111504_314416129_n.jpg
Fast forward to Tuesday, when we were 'in control of all floors'. The site was rubble. Check this video confirmation- http://www.youtube.com/w...YI&feature=youtu.be
There are so many questions to be answered at the right time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Magigi wrote:Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012. Really???????????????? @Much know are you happy how this matter was handled?Do you think we did our best? There are reports of operational and command issues are you saying that isnt true. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,590
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maka wrote:Magigi wrote:Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012. Really???????????????? @Much know are you happy how this matter was handled?Do you think we did our best? There are reports of operational and command issues are you saying that isnt true. Nili badili msimamo kitambo, i support what ngunyi is proposing, absolutely, i hope you, magigi, and mcreggae et al will continue supporting the changes that will/need to be made. Ras Kienyeji Man
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