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2017 Election results
murchr
#1491 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:26:49 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Courts are very unpredictable so I hope IEBC does not take this lightly. Assemble a competent legal team with solid indisputable evidence.

You do not want a case where the courts find that Baba's 20 votes were stolen and therefore the whole results are not credible and we should repeat the elections.

Kwani what results were used to declare the outcome? the "computerized" results or the Physical Form 34Bs?


I hope it is the physical 34Bs because that is what the Appeals court ordered but remember that there was a point where Chiloba said as they were waiting for 2 forms that they were calling the Returning Officers for clarification. I am sure that it is possible that there might be a few errors for example that the total on the 34B is not the same as the total of the 34As. You do not have to prove that you won only that the results are not accurate and therefore not credible at which point you throw the decision to the court and we are all at the mercy of what they decide.


Results are declared at the constituency using Form 34Bs which are now online. Aggregated Form 34As (from polling stations) make up the Form 34Bs. NASA went to court to ensure those forms did not get to Bomas for announcing Tulia boss
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murchr
#1492 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:29:38 PM
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kingfisher wrote:
murchr wrote:
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#1493 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:30:04 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
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harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Courts are very unpredictable so I hope IEBC does not take this lightly. Assemble a competent legal team with solid indisputable evidence.

You do not want a case where the courts find that Baba's 20 votes were stolen and therefore the whole results are not credible and we should repeat the elections.

Kwani what results were used to declare the outcome? the "computerized" results or the Physical Form 34Bs?


All IEBC have to do is produce the 290 forms as announced at the constituency. That's the law of the land.

291... includind diaspora! is jela a constituency ? then 292!! Nani alikuwa RO wa Jela?
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Ngalaka
#1494 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:31:23 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Courts are very unpredictable so I hope IEBC does not take this lightly. Assemble a competent legal team with solid indisputable evidence.

You do not want a case where the courts find that Baba's 20 votes were stolen and therefore the whole results are not credible and we should repeat the elections.

Kwani what results were used to declare the outcome? the "computerized" results or the Physical Form 34Bs?


I hope it is the physical 34Bs because that is what the Appeals court ordered but remember that there was a point where Chiloba said as they were waiting for 2 forms that they were calling the Returning Officers for clarification. I am sure that it is possible that there might be a few errors for example that the total on the 34B is not the same as the total of the 34As. You do not have to prove that you won only that the results are not accurate and therefore not credible at which point you throw the decision to the court and we are all at the mercy of what they decide.

Extent is key.
A few errors in any human activity is normal.
The court is made of human beings who marry rationale with the law.
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Njung'e
#1495 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:33:59 PM
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Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika
#1496 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:36:13 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2008
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harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Courts are very unpredictable so I hope IEBC does not take this lightly. Assemble a competent legal team with solid indisputable evidence.

You do not want a case where the courts find that Baba's 20 votes were stolen and therefore the whole results are not credible and we should repeat the elections.

Kwani what results were used to declare the outcome? the "computerized" results or the Physical Form 34Bs?


2 votes here and there don't matter.it has to be on a large scale. The court has to weigh in on the overall credibility of the polls which all observers have termed as credible.


Harrydre do not joke with courts. Have you heard the saying the law is an ass. When a case is in court even when the evidence is strong you are at the mercy of the judges because they can opt to focus on even the most minute detail and pivot on that to declare something invalid.

Courts love their own rulings more than the truth. So for example if a constituency A had 10 polling stations and the total number of votes for Uhuru were 3423 from the totals on form 34 As and Raila had 2576 from the totals of 34 As. If when filling out the form 34B the constituency returning officer wrote and announced that Uhuru's votes were 4323 and Raila's were 2756 then IEBC can only use the latter figures even if they are incorrect. They cannot do their own addition and announce the correct number.

So in this situation there will always be a case regardless of what happens. If NASA discovers errors in any form 34B they will argue that the form is invalid and therefore should not have been used if IEBC announced the corrected number they can argue that they did not follow the law by announcing the figure on form 34B as required. Once a judge hears this then he has to make a ruling at which point it is out of anyones hands and the judges can rule as they wish.
harrydre
#1497 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:47:59 PM
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Joined: 7/10/2008
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Location: Kanjo
Kusadikika wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Courts are very unpredictable so I hope IEBC does not take this lightly. Assemble a competent legal team with solid indisputable evidence.

You do not want a case where the courts find that Baba's 20 votes were stolen and therefore the whole results are not credible and we should repeat the elections.

Kwani what results were used to declare the outcome? the "computerized" results or the Physical Form 34Bs?


2 votes here and there don't matter.it has to be on a large scale. The court has to weigh in on the overall credibility of the polls which all observers have termed as credible.


Harrydre do not joke with courts. Have you heard the saying the law is an ass. When a case is in court even when the evidence is strong you are at the mercy of the judges because they can opt to focus on even the most minute detail and pivot on that to declare something invalid.

Courts love their own rulings more than the truth. So for example if a constituency A had 10 polling stations and the total number of votes for Uhuru were 3423 from the totals on form 34 As and Raila had 2576 from the totals of 34 As. If when filling out the form 34B the constituency returning officer wrote and announced that Uhuru's votes were 4323 and Raila's were 2756 then IEBC can only use the latter figures even if they are incorrect. They cannot do their own addition and announce the correct number.

So in this situation there will always be a case regardless of what happens. If NASA discovers errors in any form 34B they will argue that the form is invalid and therefore should not have been used if IEBC announced the corrected number they can argue that they did not follow the law by announcing the figure on form 34B as required. Once a judge hears this then he has to make a ruling at which point it is out of anyones hands and the judges can rule as they wish.


By the way IEBC was not supposed to alter any results announced at constituency center on form 34B, The court had ruled that before elections. So assuming a wrong tally was recorded on 34B and announced, IEBC was obligated to announce the same results.
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#1498 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:50:33 PM
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Joined: 12/6/2008
Posts: 3,586
Kusadikika wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Courts are very unpredictable so I hope IEBC does not take this lightly. Assemble a competent legal team with solid indisputable evidence.

You do not want a case where the courts find that Baba's 20 votes were stolen and therefore the whole results are not credible and we should repeat the elections.

Kwani what results were used to declare the outcome? the "computerized" results or the Physical Form 34Bs?


2 votes here and there don't matter.it has to be on a large scale. The court has to weigh in on the overall credibility of the polls which all observers have termed as credible.


Harrydre do not joke with courts. Have you heard the saying the law is an ass. When a case is in court even when the evidence is strong you are at the mercy of the judges because they can opt to focus on even the most minute detail and pivot on that to declare something invalid.

Courts love their own rulings more than the truth. So for example if a constituency A had 10 polling stations and the total number of votes for Uhuru were 3423 from the totals on form 34 As and Raila had 2576 from the totals of 34 As. If when filling out the form 34B the constituency returning officer wrote and announced that Uhuru's votes were 4323 and Raila's were 2756 then IEBC can only use the latter figures even if they are incorrect. They cannot do their own addition and announce the correct number.

So in this situation there will always be a case regardless of what happens. If NASA discovers errors in any form 34B they will argue that the form is invalid and therefore should not have been used if IEBC announced the corrected number they can argue that they did not follow the law by announcing the figure on form 34B as required. Once a judge hears this then he has to make a ruling at which point it is out of anyones hands and the judges can rule as they wish.

What of the hacker? Must be missing something in your long explanation, because you have not mentioned IEBC servers anywhere d'oh! ama it's sarcasm, people are so heavy on sarcasm, irony e.t.c mpaka tunakuwa confused, too many words without mysql and superuser is not enough! Beyond sarcasm e.t.c some add a little ka-upumbavu, kidogo tu to drive their point home.
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Njung'e
#1499 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:51:18 PM
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Joined: 2/7/2007
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Location: Nairobi
harrydre wrote:
[quote=Kusadikika][quote=harrydre][quote=masukuma][quote=Kusadikika]

By the way IEBC was not supposed to alter any results announced at constituency center on form 34B, The court had ruled that before elections. So assuming a wrong tally was recorded on 34B and announced, IEBC was obligated to announce the same results.


This is enough proof that you can be chased by your own bull in your own compound.smile
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Jump-steady
#1500 Posted : Wednesday, August 16, 2017 6:37:15 PM
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Joined: 12/1/2008
Posts: 1,098
Njung'e wrote:
harrydre wrote:
[quote=Kusadikika][quote=harrydre][quote=masukuma][quote=Kusadikika]

By the way IEBC was not supposed to alter any results announced at constituency center on form 34B, The court had ruled that before elections. So assuming a wrong tally was recorded on 34B and announced, IEBC was obligated to announce the same results.


This is enough proof that you can be chased by your own bull in your own compound.smile


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