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Chase Bank loss...another case of cooking the books?
maka
#281 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:12:19 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Othelo wrote:
popat wrote:
One of the bank directors alienda hapo Eastern Bypass akafungua joint inaitwa Oakpoint Ruiru.The best in the O.J neighbourhoods.He is minting serious chums as Kenyans warrow in miasma of lost fortunes.I don't know who can be trusted in this country....

So this is how guys are acquiring crazy properties in Nairobi and environs. Okay Sad

In Karen,at the junction of Ndege road and Langata road, sits this prestigious building called Watermark Business Park spanning 15 acres complete with fountains and what have you. Recently, Unilever moved their regional headquarters here!



Oh yes...
possunt quia posse videntur
Emerger
#282 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:13:14 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
kimugaman wrote:
They are blaming social media. How about owners of bank, taking deposits, then loaning it out to themselves, then cooking the books to hide those loans. If there was no social media, people in bars and markets and social gatherings still could have talked about it.

There was total rot in this bank! No need to blame the social media. Granted, some individuals inevitably dramatized some facts and misrepresented some but it is not like we are talking about a sound bank that followed strict corporate governance. Secret insider loans, misreporting etc. What did they expect???

There is nothing as bad as rumours accompanied by verifiable facts. The sickening verifiable facts are attributable to the banks management and directors!!!


True true.
Dr Pato has always said he wants to leave CBK as a world class central bank. If we read in between the lines, this is a journey he has embarked on. There's nothing world class with no strict standards and their enforcement. He has not yet started streamlining the system, he is just but cleaning it to give him a base to start. So all this ndrama is a cleaning exercise being carried out. Some banks have 'dirtified' their books so its dirt that we are seeing as for now na mambo bado.
Next stage will be setting minimum baseline operating standards the modus operandi is set to change. Supervision will be in another level after the cleanup.
Vetting of who runs the banks at both board level and senior management will be at another level.
Corporate governance will be like a daily hymn in the industry.
So fellow wazuans the revolution is real but at the very initial stages.
Impunity
#283 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:17:11 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
masukuma wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
dunkang wrote:
So, I move my money, interest and time to Sports Betting and banks starts collapsing left, right and center.

Its OK.

Funny enough is that this banks are collapsing after their MDs and CEOs receive awards of excellence. Very funny. Very very funny.

the former governor also left with many awards and recognitions

is that a tell-tell sign?


Yes.Munir best CEO 2014,the chase bank guy best CEO 2015.Even in other countries studies show a correlation between awards and poor performance of the company. Its not always the case but you can't ignore the trend. Watch out for the best CEO in the banking sector this year!


Think Business Bank Awards outside those categories supported by actual data are not to be taken very seriously.

The CEO of the Year is I think just a rotational BS awarded to somone who has not received it before. Literally all the major CEO's have received this award, may be there's a ka'rotational policy.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


...and on that note, I will just leave this one here....UKenyatta is best Africa's president!


I will remind us here again by quoting the above.

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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

timizo
#284 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:40:58 AM
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A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.
maka
#285 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:42:41 AM
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timizo wrote:
A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.


@Timizo its already there...
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timizo
#286 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:46:59 AM
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maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.


@Timizo its already there...


Okay.... Do you mean a simple easy one just for CBK regulatory? I mean one where the guys should already be in court plus all those members of staff who approved or were in a position to know of that the limit had been exceeded like the Finance Director and CEO.
maka
#287 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 9:50:10 AM
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timizo wrote:
maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.


@Timizo its already there...


Okay.... Do you mean a simple easy one just for CBK regulatory? I mean one where the guys should already be in court plus all those members of staff who approved or were in a position to know of that the limit had been exceeded like the Finance Director and CEO.


That will never happen in Kenya...anyway not now.
possunt quia posse videntur
iris
#288 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 10:04:29 AM
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@timizo, I think you are mixing up the existence of laws and enforcement. We have very many good laws but we are all so many rats unable to bell the cats. Probably this is what @maka is saying..
muganda
#289 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 11:20:18 AM
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Mafisi TIBIP!‏@roomthinker
What's the difference between a 7.9 billion unsecured loan and a bank robbery?
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You wear a suit for one, and a mask for the other.


whiteowl
#290 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 11:52:10 AM
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maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.


@Timizo its already there...


Okay.... Do you mean a simple easy one just for CBK regulatory? I mean one where the guys should already be in court plus all those members of staff who approved or were in a position to know of that the limit had been exceeded like the Finance Director and CEO.


That will never happen in Kenya...anyway not now.


The problem is impunity (not the Wazuan)
sparkly
#291 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 11:58:21 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.


@Timizo its already there...


Okay.... Do you mean a simple easy one just for CBK regulatory? I mean one where the guys should already be in court plus all those members of staff who approved or were in a position to know of that the limit had been exceeded like the Finance Director and CEO.


That will never happen in Kenya...anyway not now.


The problem is impunity (not the Wazuan)


BANDIT ECONOMY ~ Dr. Mutunga
Life is short. Live passionately.
Impunity
#292 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 12:10:14 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
maka wrote:
timizo wrote:
A law need to be passed in Parliament urgently to criminalise Bank directors borrowing above some ratio. It should also be criminal for them to borrow without security. The jail terms should be high and attract death penalty in case of a magnitude such as the one for chase bank. If we do not do this, then there will be no difference between putting your money in a bank and giving it to Kanyari or arap mashamba for safe keeping.


@Timizo its already there...


Okay.... Do you mean a simple easy one just for CBK regulatory? I mean one where the guys should already be in court plus all those members of staff who approved or were in a position to know of that the limit had been exceeded like the Finance Director and CEO.


That will never happen in Kenya...anyway not now.


The problem is impunity (not the Wazuan)


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muganda
#293 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 12:24:42 PM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt
#294 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 1:14:08 PM
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ON CHASE BANK: Well, three of my business friends whom we've recently transacted with using Chase Bank called me yesterday. One is a guy who deals with branding and large scale printing and we had issued his company with a cheque last week which he had already banked with Chase Bank - he told me that 3/4 of his working capital is with that bank including the Cheque I gave him. The other one is a Business Woman based in Meru County who operates an Agrovet. Last week but one she issued us with a cheque from Chase Bank and thanks God we had already banked it and it was cleared - the lady told me that she has over 2 million shillings in her current A/C with Chase Bank. The third one is a distributor of raw materials based in Mombasa who we had issued with a post-dated of quite Some huge amount - he told me that thanks God the Cheque was post-dated because he'd have deposited in his Chase Bank A/C. He also added that his A/C with Chase Bank has over Ksh. 700k. Well, two of these friends follow me here on Facebook and can attest to that fact.

Now, those are just 3 people who have been seriously affected by the recent placement of Chase Bank on Receivership by the Central Bank. They have money that they've saved for decades but right now have nothing to use. It would mean their businesses collapsing or losing a significant no. of customers. 55,000 more people who bank with the same bank are in the same fix. Too bad, too sad.

Close to 1,400 employees employed by this Bank are already smelling joblessness. Thousands of shillings paid to the KRA by this bank from PAYE, Income Taxes etc will be no where to be seen. Many suppliers who trade with Chase Bank will have their contracts automatically terminated, the money they are owed delayed or lost and many bad and worst things.

All this is courtesy of Corruption, greed and selfishness.

I've always advised my friends to be extra keen when dealing with Financial institutions whether for Loans, savings or the likes. I've always insisted that these Mickey Mouse institutions are not reliable no matter the benefits. Those who listen to me are in KCB, Barclays Bank, National Bank, CB and SCB. Those who don't listen are in Chase Bank, KWFT Bank, Family Bank, Giro Bank, Rafiki whatever etc etc - you know these funny funny things.

For the last one month I've Been very keen not to miss any paper with the focus being the Finacial Statements Published by Banks during this period. I always do it every year. As a financial specialist, well, the accounts look appealing and lovable. In as much as we rely on audited statements, today's auditors are not trustworthy. Of course auditors work with information provided to them but some things are too pronouced to assume. All in all, my point is this, not even those Accounts can be trusted. Just trade carefully.

Personally, I rarely do large savings with banks. I've learnt to reinvest a significant amount of my savings in National Goverment tenders. They stay with my money for even 6 months but I don't complain because its better than putting in a fixed deposit account in a Commercial Bank and get things like 4% per annum and after 7 months the bank is placed under Receivership. That is me, but if you care, that's one of the best routes alongside Treasury Bills and Bonds.

My friends, learn to trade with the Government. Consider National Bank, it's significantly owned by NSSF, consider KCB owned by KCB Group where the Govt has over 17% shares, Consider CB owned by GoK. Even if they go under the Govt will obviously intervene substantively. Buy Treasury Bills, Buy Treasury Bonds. Or just put that money in a Safe, its yours.
alma1
#295 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 1:42:20 PM
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Now Cornelius, this is the kind of fear mongering that really needs to be put in check tafadhali.

While it is true that people should be careful of fly by night banks, it is total fallacy to suggest that BIG banks can't fail.

Do you want a list? Lehman, FannyMae, FannyMac, Washington Bank etc. Even in Kenya, what is the name of that insurance company owned by gov't that fell. Look at Mumias...

The argument that because a bank is owned by gov't it is safe is just lying without a mask. Just mentioning National Bank is in itself ironic for someone who's claiming they read the financial papers and he's financially literate.

These banks did not fail because they were small. They failed because of mismanagement, greed and corruption.

These same ailments are present even in the so called "big banks"! It's just that this one couldn't withstand the pressure of account closing in one day. But have no doubt the same games are being played by more of these banks.

This idea that Kenyans can only bank with big banks then should be spread out to say that a Kenyan should not do business with a small company.

Why should I advertise with a small advertising company when Scanad is around. Heck, why should I read that small star newspaper when the Nation is around. Why even bother opening up a kiosk while "Uchumi" the big one is there.

The size of the business doesn't matter. It's the integrity of the owners that matters.

I personally would never bank with National Bank, who has the time to line up. I can't go equity, its too brown in color for me. I don't bank because a bank is big. I bank for service provision.

Let's not kill small banks because that argument may as well be applied to each and every small business owner in the country.

Let's give people the right information when choosing a bank. Not fear mongering and killing other businesses for the benefit of these "big banks". Who wants to go back to the days of Stanchart vs Barclays?

As Maka and hisah have been saying on wazua. Look at the financials. Not the big dick syndromes.

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#296 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 2:15:36 PM
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That post by Cornelius is pure hogwash and reckless. I understand people are spending the better part of today moving money from the likes of BOA consolidated etc to CBA. The thinking being the President bank is more secure....These rumors are causing bank runs and they could be catastrophic.

Cornelius.....stick to your lane, green section
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#297 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 2:20:10 PM
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Things are moving as they should.

We can't blame all the employees of Chase bank for the madness of a few directors. That bank was good and anyone who was served there knows that.

So here we go. The first steps to reality

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

kryptonite
#298 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 2:46:18 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Things are moving as they should.

We can't blame all the employees of Chase bank for the madness of a few directors. That bank was good and anyone who was served there knows that.

So here we go. The first steps to reality




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Othelo
#299 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 2:46:22 PM
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There is nothing reckless on being told to be alert. It is reckless until you lose your lifetime savings. Let there be fear so that whenever there is cooking of figures, creative accounting or misuse of vested authority, the actors know the consequences. Spread the fear so that authorities can aslo act in the right/proper way and on time.

I watched that lady outside chase bank crying about her 50k FDR. That is small change to many, but lifeline to her.

Sad Sad Sad
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Swenani
#300 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 3:01:52 PM
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Othelo wrote:
There is nothing reckless on being told to be alert. It is reckless until you lose your lifetime savings. Let there be fear so that whenever there is cooking of figures, creative accounting or misuse of vested authority, the actors know the consequences. Spread the fear so that authorities can aslo act in the right/proper way and on time.

I watched that lady outside chase bank crying about her 50k FDR. That is small change to many, but lifeline to her.

Sad Sad Sad


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