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Garissa university attack.
murchr
#141 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 3:22:08 AM
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nakujua wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
I think we now need to have police posts in our institutions. Like it is in the US
A general solution will not be effective in this kind of threat. These terrorists have time on their side, even if you had Police posts, they will spend months studying targets to pick soft spots. Plus if Kiganjo is like our other institutions, then the curriculum used to train Police is not update with the times. Chances are that the tutors concentrate on strategies against traditional crimes. In times like this, you cannot rely on government to give solutions, since what is required is some very radical change starting from training and resourcing and deployment of police. Due to beuracracy, it would take upto ten yrs for government to catch up. In the short and medium term, Institutions should go for private solutions to complement govt


I agree the curriculum at Kiganjo needs to be re-modeled and that goes for the caliber of graduates too..The D material can no longer be trusted with a policemans job

so you reckon the A material will do a better job, look at them in parliament, heading parastatals - look at them behind their keyboards blaming the D material.


The D material take up the jobs because they have no better alternatives. I mean, what other alternative is available for them apart from this lucrative pensionable job? Policing should be a calling. People who have the best interests of this country at heart. Not people who just want to be employed and would take a kickback at whatever the costs.

Are the A materials in parliament? Those in parliament were elected by citizens like you.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#142 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 8:23:03 AM
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Terrorism trends mutate very fast. If our security tactics do not change as fast to outdo this mutation, then Kenya will most always be caught flat footed. However by now someone needed to have picked common trends-
1. The terrorists have targeted areas with high concentration of non-somali or non-muslim
2. For both Westgate & GUC, they chose buildings with rooftops where they can take vantage positions and delay neutralization by security forces (and their own death as well). Should we take a re-look at any public building with rooftop?

3. For both Westgate & GUC, alshabab were familiar with the facilities in and out, this means they visited prior to attacks without attracting attention. This means any tertiary institution, shopping malls, hospitals, churches etc where these terrorists can make prior visits without detection are at greater risk
4. In all cases, the terrorists gained control by attacking the first and only line of defence – the guards at the gate/entrance. We need to invest in second and third lines of defence-rather than relying on guards at the gate, invest on large number of security on patrol.

Intelligence and quick response by security agencies will not be effective in the face of the enemy we face. Rather, every institution should take it upon itself to devise private means of tightening security and pre-empting attacks.
Shak
#143 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 9:12:04 AM
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limanika wrote:
Terrorism trends mutate very fast. If our security tactics do not change as fast to outdo this mutation, then Kenya will most always be caught flat footed. However by now someone needed to have picked common trends-
1. The terrorists have targeted areas with high concentration of non-somali or non-muslim
2. For both Westgate & GUC, they chose buildings with rooftops where they can take vantage positions and delay neutralization by security forces (and their own death as well). Should we take a re-look at any public building with rooftop?

3. For both Westgate & GUC, alshabab were familiar with the facilities in and out, this means they visited prior to attacks without attracting attention. This means any tertiary institution, shopping malls, hospitals, churches etc where these terrorists can make prior visits without detection are at greater risk
4. In all cases, the terrorists gained control by attacking the first and only line of defence – the guards at the gate/entrance. We need to invest in second and third lines of defence-rather than relying on guards at the gate, invest on large number of security on patrol.

Intelligence and quick response by security agencies will not be effective in the face of the enemy we face. Rather, every institution should take it upon itself to devise private means of tightening security and pre-empting attacks.

It doesn't matter how many armed guards you place at every single vulnerable facility. Terrorists use the element of surprise and heavy artillery. How do you repulse people throwing bombs at you? Intelligece is our best defence. Surely if Garrissa TTC knew that there were suspicious characters in the town even closing down the institution why didnt the police act on this intelligence?
Matoe
#144 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 9:14:04 AM
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newfarer
#145 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 9:35:55 AM
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sad.pole to the families.

i get saddened when i see police milking public transport operators along the garissa highway which i frequently use.instead of inspecting the buses they just stop them to pick their cut and let them pass the many road blocks.

greed will kill us .young promising 147souls lost calls for national mourning and reflecting.
punda amecheka
tycho
#146 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 9:47:08 AM
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I think we are escalating our commitment to a psychology and actions that will continue to bring us harm. We seem to be overlooking events happening all around us. For example, ISIL now has over 20,000 foreign fighters, and youth from countries we deem stable and secure are abandoning their 'stable' lives for war. A young pilot can kill himself and many others deliberately and perhaps without any qualms.

What's facilitating these happenings? It's difficult to rule out the possibility that we are living in systems that acutely hostile to human living. And the more we dig in, the worse it will get.
limanika
#147 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 10:09:07 AM
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Shak wrote:
limanika wrote:
Terrorism trends mutate very fast. If our security tactics do not change as fast to outdo this mutation, then Kenya will most always be caught flat footed. However by now someone needed to have picked common trends-
1. The terrorists have targeted areas with high concentration of non-somali or non-muslim
2. For both Westgate & GUC, they chose buildings with rooftops where they can take vantage positions and delay neutralization by security forces (and their own death as well). Should we take a re-look at any public building with rooftop?

3. For both Westgate & GUC, alshabab were familiar with the facilities in and out, this means they visited prior to attacks without attracting attention. This means any tertiary institution, shopping malls, hospitals, churches etc where these terrorists can make prior visits without detection are at greater risk
4. In all cases, the terrorists gained control by attacking the first and only line of defence – the guards at the gate/entrance. We need to invest in second and third lines of defence-rather than relying on guards at the gate, invest on large number of security on patrol.

Intelligence and quick response by security agencies will not be effective in the face of the enemy we face. Rather, every institution should take it upon itself to devise private means of tightening security and pre-empting attacks.

It doesn't matter how many armed guards you place at every single vulnerable facility. Terrorists use the element of surprise and heavy artillery. How do you repulse people throwing bombs at you? Intelligece is our best defence. Surely if Garrissa TTC knew that there were suspicious characters in the town even closing down the institution why didnt the police act on this intelligence?
on intelligence, what I meant is that institutions cannot resign their fate and rely on govt, as our systems are not upto task. Rather, institutions need to go an extra mile. If one of the solutions offered is to train 10000 recruits, what happens between now and the time they graduate?
bkismat
#148 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 10:42:44 AM
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A poem to the 147 unknowns
By F.Simiyu Barasa
147 is just a number, We shall not Mourn you.

147 is just a number,of which you are one
So We shall not mourn you.
You were not an expatriate
Connecting herself to France
By buying Camembert cheese off some shelves in an upmarket mall.

147 is just a number, of which you are one
So we we shall not mourn you.
How to mourn a non-white, on international TV channels.
Human interest angle is measured in colors these days.

147 is just a number, of which you are one.
So we shall not Mourn you.
No road in Mombasa shall be named after you
Your father is not somebody’s political party boss.
No rival to donate an airforce plane to your stadium coffin display
Who knows if the casket you will be buried in will be so cheap it can
Scratch the insides of our military planes.

Why should we mourn you?
No flags can fly at half mast
To honour a half -baked education that you sought in an ill equipped college.
If you had been schoolmates with our politicians sons in some foreign lands,whose neighbouring country was hit by a catastrophe,
We would have found ways to mourn you since we too marvel and wish
We could loot this country to pay such fees.

We do not know how to bend and lay flowers for people who never ate croissants
At artistic coffee shops in malls, for if we place roses in dusty mpeketoni roads
Or sandy Garissa paths…or cabbage littered Githurai tarmac
It doesn’t look photogenic. You never afforded roses when alive
We should not afford you carnations and ribbons in death.

We can not mourn you. We reserve the energy for those who eat in same restaurants as whites,who shop same as a royal family's cousins cousin.
For we can also look cool by association. Their death can leave us whiffs of their lives: be escalator users, to watch nice cinemas,
To take our kids to IGCSE schools, to be accented.
We do not mourn smoke sweating , sun scorched, dust coated, others. It reminds us of our poverty.
We mourn class. Richness. Not calloused hands rougher than the stones they quarry.

Life has been too harsh to you, why should we coin a harsh tag and add your pain?
We are Not one with you. No. No Mpesa donation lines. Just die, sleep, get buried by your clan.
No foreign presidents will come to walk Uhuru Highway with ours, since ours never walk for the dead.
No HBO specials, no magazines drawing cartoons in your solidarity. Die, and get buried silently.
Your own TV channels never gave the hours between your siege and your death any running commentary. (like they covered Paris siege)
They entertained us with Mexican soaps, old Naija films, and the occasional Breaking news banner
To remind us that the blade of death was still on your throats.
We are not sentimental like the French, we don’t CharlieHebdo Je Suis blab la
No military parades, no drills in public squares. Not for you.
147 is just a number, you are just one other statistic.
Not human.
We shall pretend you didn’t really exist
We shall move on.
We shall not Mourn you.
Who told you to choose your low class birth.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
kiash
#149 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 10:42:59 AM
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I might be wrong on this but the dont care attitude many Kenyans have are part to blame. Who remembers the ka short documentary by the NTV guy on security like leaving bags un attended and then no one bothers. Even our security guys. This is the way these guys have managed to do such attacks and people are at the mercy of Gods. I remember after the paris attacks, even soldiers were brought from the barracks they were sleeping in the synagogues and even doing shifts .For those who have visited France, there are usualy armed soldiers in the train stations moving around . This was intensified after the paris attacks. Coparaing that to what we see in Kenya, i could not expect less from UK and the travel advisory. Kenyans on their part do not even cooperate with the police coz they are also corrupt. Corruption reloaded
+ ignorance
kollabo
#150 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 11:00:13 AM
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(1) Kenya lacks internal capacity in Counter Terrorism at command and tactical levels. We need to open up these positions to foreigners with advanced experience and who have a proactive approach.

(2) The best way of dealing with terrorists is an offensive strategy to eliminate the leadership of terror groups. Israel is at peace because of this strategy. This strategy cannot work using constitutional means.

(3) Nice observations @Limanika. Our police force doesn't have a research repository to detect trends. You'll notice they don't even have mug shots of criminal elements.

Am sad but still proud to be Kenyan.
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