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Shabaab suspects ambush bus near Mandera, kill 28
washiku
#141 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:41:05 AM
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Kratos wrote:
@ Washiku, while i don't dispute all what you're saying my point is that all those points DO NOT eradicate terrorism. You have just expressed your expectations and not given solutions. Again i ask, how will changing the security team, holding demos etc help in eradicating terrorism? IT WILL NOT! So long as the they live among us and we will not sacrifice them for the good of all.
Your points are about "I have done my bit as Washiku" what am saying is that there are many other Washiku's who are shielding this idiots.
Terrorism is not a conventional crime/war and you will never be free from it even though you have paid taxes and what not. How are other countries fighting this animal? By firing people and holding demos about insecurity? Not at all. By exposing their own brothers and sisters who are part of the problem. In fact i believe that al shabab would not have gained much traction in Kenya had there not been collaborators and sympathizers. Not to say that our systems have helped though.


Kratos I like you already, coz you are already asking questions. At least we can discuss.

1. Firing people? YES. It works. The next person knows that they have to work to keep their job.

2. How do you convince people to share info? By being wise. Get a thief to catch a thief. Entrench his people so so deep into the system that he will know what is happening in every corner of this country.

3. Let our system be more preventive than reactive. How? Ruto told us that a few minutes after the attack, the kebabs were followed to their hide-outs and killed. Then only explanation could be that the KDF guys knew those camps exist. How could they have all of a sudden realised them in a few minutes? Instead of using helicopters to ferry politicians to rallies, those things should be used all the time to do air surveillance of our borders. Such camps should have been bombed the day they were being made.

By the way it is not so hard, if given to the right people. 99% are law abiding Kenyans. 1% can not be too hard to handle.

Its because of that 1% that the police, judiciary, NIS and such others exist. Let them do their job.

My friend who we were in campus together, who chose to serve us through the security apparatus works in those volatile areas. He tells me of tales of the little resources they have to work. Yet every time during Mashujaa celebration the army does drills to show us the machinery we have in store to protect us. Must we wait until Uganda attacks us to use them?
Muriel
#142 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:09:53 AM
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tycho wrote:
When the war against the al Shabaab was starting most of us here cheered and supported it, now our people have died and more will die, and seeing this we're all over crying. Don't we know the consequence of war is death? We took responsibility for all these deaths a long time ago.

Now some of us think that the war needs to be fought differently, even despite international conventions. Speak of aggravating issues. We are slowly besieging ourselves and one effect of a siege is cannibalism. Now we want to turn against each other in the name of ferreting collaborators. And sacking the 'incompetent'. The US defense secretary has been sacked over IS, what next? Same story.

We're just a bunch of noise makers killing time.



Whether Dempsey was sacked or resigned is splitting hairs but he came in to wind down the war in Afghanistan. Now they have decided to escalate possibilities of war in Europe and Syria and Dempsey, the man to wind down wars, was not the right man to kindle another.

I regret my initial euphoria about the war. I betrayed myself.

This is the sphere of 'noise'. Let the mourners mourn, for that they mourn for and how they mourn is not for anyone to kill.


McReggae
#143 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:09:55 AM
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..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
McReggae
#144 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:23:18 AM
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@Kratos, did you say say the military never says what they have done>

..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Angelica _ann
#145 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:28:48 AM
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Propaganda.......... that is more than 100. Press release ya 23rd on such a serious matter is distributed today - 25th!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Kratos
#146 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:29:03 AM
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McReggae wrote:
@Kratos, did you say say the military never says what they have done>



I said they don't post pictures of dead enemy combatants like the al kebabs do. People here were asking for images.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
kollabo
#147 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:29:17 AM
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McReggae wrote:





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Angelica _ann
#148 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:33:17 AM
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kollabo wrote:
McReggae wrote:





Blah..blah...blah...!!

McR.... now you want to believe this one?
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
mkenyan
#149 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:38:05 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
kollabo wrote:
McReggae wrote:





Blah..blah...blah...!!

McR.... now you want to believe this one?

the mutahi guy is just trying to be relevant. only his sycophants drink his delusions. unfortunately they are many.
shocks
#150 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:39:43 AM
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Tragedy of our times, people believe al shabab press releases more than they believe those of the government.
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