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Too many HELLOS, Time to quit stocks!
hisah
#141 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 12:25:52 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
@mwekezaji - if that is material news it should be announced, right?


Indeed. Changamoto kwa nse!

Still no announcement. Was it a rumour? But being in the markets long enough, rumours are news which are eventually published ...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
jerry
#142 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 2:11:04 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/29/2006
Posts: 2,570
hisah wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
NMG surprised me, it has not gained for aloooong time then lost substantially!

ppl might be positioning??? could be like stan chart. down 280 then up to 340 ,am tempted to touch!! hope it doesn't go BMB way.

NMG breakout to the downside!


Vol spike, but prices have refused to break above 350. Not bullish for now until that resistance gives in. If the vol spike was in Apr 2013, I'd expect a sizable selloff coz that would have been a classic upthrust sellside action. I expect the price to slide, but not below 200 - 220 support zone. Below that zone would put bulls under pressure.

As @sparkly puts it the bluechips have steamed off. I've also stated a while back that the heavyweights are top heavy. A shakeout is coming and the likes of korch, olympia, paka et al which are bogus quality stocks cannot support the lofty market valuations.

Few bargains remain like kplc and TPS, which should be able to withstand the shakeout. I'm also speculating with MSC (high risk - balls of steel needed). I don't see why gok should kill this sugar firm.

So @hisah is a speculator?!
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
Boris Boyka
#143 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 3:07:23 PM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
Location: Here
jerry wrote:
hisah wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
NMG surprised me, it has not gained for aloooong time then lost substantially!

ppl might be positioning??? could be like stan chart. down 280 then up to 340 ,am tempted to touch!! hope it doesn't go BMB way.

NMG breakout to the downside!


Vol spike, but prices have refused to break above 350. Not bullish for now until that resistance gives in. If the vol spike was in Apr 2013, I'd expect a sizable selloff coz that would have been a classic upthrust sellside action. I expect the price to slide, but not below 200 - 220 support zone. Below that zone would put bulls under pressure.

As @sparkly puts it the bluechips have steamed off. I've also stated a while back that the heavyweights are top heavy. A shakeout is coming and the likes of korch, olympia, paka et al which are bogus quality stocks cannot support the lofty market valuations.

Few bargains remain like kplc and TPS, which should be able to withstand the shakeout. I'm also speculating with MSC (high risk - balls of steel needed). I don't see why gok should kill this sugar firm.

So @hisah is a speculator?!

@jerry partly @hisah like many seasoned fellows are HYBRID greater %investor and small % speculator
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
sparkly
#144 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 5:56:28 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Boris Boyka wrote:
jerry wrote:
hisah wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
NMG surprised me, it has not gained for aloooong time then lost substantially!

ppl might be positioning??? could be like stan chart. down 280 then up to 340 ,am tempted to touch!! hope it doesn't go BMB way.

NMG breakout to the downside!


Vol spike, but prices have refused to break above 350. Not bullish for now until that resistance gives in. If the vol spike was in Apr 2013, I'd expect a sizable selloff coz that would have been a classic upthrust sellside action. I expect the price to slide, but not below 200 - 220 support zone. Below that zone would put bulls under pressure.

As @sparkly puts it the bluechips have steamed off. I've also stated a while back that the heavyweights are top heavy. A shakeout is coming and the likes of korch, olympia, paka et al which are bogus quality stocks cannot support the lofty market valuations.

Few bargains remain like kplc and TPS, which should be able to withstand the shakeout. I'm also speculating with MSC (high risk - balls of steel needed). I don't see why gok should kill this sugar firm.

So @hisah is a speculator?!

@jerry partly @hisah like many seasoned fellows are HYBRID greater %investor and small % speculator

You need platinum balls for MSC!
Life is short. Live passionately.
sparkly
#145 Posted : Saturday, November 01, 2014 8:50:54 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
With GOK issuing 11% tax free bonds worth 20B, expect migration from stocks to accelerate.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#146 Posted : Saturday, November 01, 2014 9:03:29 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,232
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
With GOK issuing 11% tax free bonds worth 20B, expect migration from stocks to accelerate.

@sparkly wacha kutia watu baridi. some stocks have multiples that make the 11% look like loose change. think centum, kcb, panafrica

sparkly
#147 Posted : Saturday, November 01, 2014 1:29:28 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
With GOK issuing 11% tax free bonds worth 20B, expect migration from stocks to accelerate.

@sparkly wacha kutia watu baridi. some stocks have multiples that make the 11% look like loose change. think centum, kcb, panafrica


Which of those are ASSURED of 11% after tax return (capital gains and dividends) in the next one year?
Life is short. Live passionately.
Gadaffi
#148 Posted : Saturday, November 01, 2014 3:43:45 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/13/2011
Posts: 284
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
jerry wrote:
hisah wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
NMG surprised me, it has not gained for aloooong time then lost substantially!

ppl might be positioning??? could be like stan chart. down 280 then up to 340 ,am tempted to touch!! hope it doesn't go BMB way.

NMG breakout to the downside!


Vol spike, but prices have refused to break above 350. Not bullish for now until that resistance gives in. If the vol spike was in Apr 2013, I'd expect a sizable selloff coz that would have been a classic upthrust sellside action. I expect the price to slide, but not below 200 - 220 support zone. Below that zone would put bulls under pressure.

As @sparkly puts it the bluechips have steamed off. I've also stated a while back that the heavyweights are top heavy. A shakeout is coming and the likes of korch, olympia, paka et al which are bogus quality stocks cannot support the lofty market valuations.

Few bargains remain like kplc and TPS, which should be able to withstand the shakeout. I'm also speculating with MSC (high risk - balls of steel needed). I don't see why gok should kill this sugar firm.

So @hisah is a speculator?!

@jerry partly @hisah like many seasoned fellows are HYBRID greater %investor and small % speculator

You need platinum balls for MSC!

@Hisah, I agree with your take on Kenya Power and TPS, those two are definitely high quality good bargains. However, MSC is not even worth speculating, this will finish you like Ebola!!!
obiero
#149 Posted : Saturday, November 01, 2014 3:44:18 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,232
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
With GOK issuing 11% tax free bonds worth 20B, expect migration from stocks to accelerate.

@sparkly wacha kutia watu baridi. some stocks have multiples that make the 11% look like loose change. think centum, kcb, panafrica

Which of those are ASSURED of 11% after tax return (capital gains and dividends) in the next one year?


KCB is assured 3.5% dividend yield plus atleast 10% organic share growth, making in all 13.5%minimum, but it could even go to 30% or more!!!

VituVingiSana
#150 Posted : Saturday, November 01, 2014 6:52:52 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,353
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
With GOK issuing 11% tax free bonds worth 20B, expect migration from stocks to accelerate.

@sparkly wacha kutia watu baridi. some stocks have multiples that make the 11% look like loose change. think centum, kcb, panafrica

Which of those are ASSURED of 11% after tax return (capital gains and dividends) in the next one year?


KCB is assured 3.5% dividend yield plus atleast 10% organic share growth, making in all 13.5%minimum, but it could even go to 30% or more!!!
There is nothing like 'guaranteed' organic share growth.
11% is net of all taxes whereas Dividends are subject to 5% W/Tax. Add the CGT [and the confusion surrounding it] for a reduction in net value received.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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