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washiku
#141 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:20:27 PM
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Magigi wrote:
McReggae wrote:
....now you know why Mutula Kilonzo keeps lions!!!!

...and other assorted relatives of lions!


He even assisted Ocampo in adopting a leopard. He loves the cat family.
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mukiha
#142 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:23:48 PM
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Joined: 6/27/2008
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Proverbs 18:17 is very applicable here
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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maka
#143 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:26:50 PM
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Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
muganda wrote:
muganda wrote:
Gosh a movie is now being shown. This lady Ms. Kethi D. Kilonzo and her AFRICOG? Not talking


You must realise @maka that your statement below would actually condemn any professional lawyer. The practice of law dictates that every man is entitled to a defence, irrespective of the evidence. That is for the judge to determine.
maka wrote:
George Oraro does not play cards when he practises law. He practises pure and simple law based on the factual circumstances of the case. That is why he has for 10 years in a row being declared as the top litigation lawyer by Chambers and Global.

Your interpretation of my statement is similiar to the ogre approach being adopted by the IEBC in this case. See what you want to see ignore the rest. I repeat what I said: "George Oraro does not play cards
when he practises law. He practises
pure and simple law based on the
factual circumstances of the case". In other words or simply put Mr. Oraro will analyse the evidence a client presents to him, determine the legal dimension of the matter and proceed to argue his client"ks case to the best of his ability supported by case law and substantiated by statutory underpinning. Your interpretation seems to suggest that he chooses the cases he will argue and discards the ones bereft of evidence. That is without a scintilla of doubt not what I meant or said
possunt quia posse videntur
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washiku
#144 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:27:09 PM
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mukiha wrote:
Proverbs 18:17 is very applicable here


Proverbs 18:17 "In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right,until someone comes forward and cross-examines"
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maka
#145 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:30:42 PM
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mukiha wrote:
Proverbs 18:17 is very applicable here

The first to speak in court sounds
right--until the cross-examination
begins...interesting
possunt quia posse videntur
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FundamentAli
#146 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:35:30 PM
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Joined: 11/4/2008
Posts: 1,289
Location: Nairobi
McReggae wrote:
....now you know why Mutula Kilonzo keeps lions!!!!

So if there were no lions, would you approach?
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King G
#147 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:37:44 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2012
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Location: Othumo
washiku wrote:
Magigi wrote:
McReggae wrote:
....now you know why Mutula Kilonzo keeps lions!!!!

...and other assorted relatives of lions!


He even assisted Ocampo in adopting a leopard. He loves the cat family.


this world is funny, you will find a brother who is tired of landing there, while others are frothing.
Thieves
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heavenly body
#148 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:38:46 PM
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Joined: 7/31/2007
Posts: 146
masukuma wrote:
limanika wrote:
The learned lady is pleading with the court to invalidate the whole election based on her evidence. Was the plea to cancel entire election or results of the affected constituency only?
Can you have a hypothetical case where despite giving evidence, the evidence itself is not sufficient to meet the threshold of the actual plea and is therefore thrown out on such ground?

the case made before the court is cherry picked. that is why the court ordered scrutiny of all form 34s and 36s - based on that result we shall know the extent of the 'malpractice'.


I agree with you. Plus, does the Petition relates to nullification of Presidential elections in the event it is found malpractice surrounded that particular election; does the video demonstrate malpractice of only presidential or entire election?
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kingfisher
#149 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:40:12 PM
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Joined: 4/9/2008
Posts: 2,824
King G wrote:
washiku wrote:
Magigi wrote:
McReggae wrote:
....now you know why Mutula Kilonzo keeps lions!!!!

...and other assorted relatives of lions!


He even assisted Ocampo in adopting a leopard. He loves the cat family.


this world is funny, you will find a brother who is tired of landing there, while others are frothing.

ngai, how true is dat!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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muganda
#150 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:40:23 PM
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Joined: 9/15/2006
Posts: 3,908
Surely @maka you misunderstand for we are in complete agreement. I only pointed out that a lawyer of the calibre of Mr. George Oraro, if he was a true master of his craft, realises everyone (devil or saint alike) is entitled to a defence - irrespective of the merits of the case.

My example from Thomas Moore, shows a true lawyer would represent even the devil if the circumstance so demanded.

maka wrote:
muganda wrote:
muganda wrote:
Gosh a movie is now being shown. This lady Ms. Kethi D. Kilonzo and her AFRICOG? Not talking


You must realise @maka that your statement below would actually condemn any professional lawyer. The practice of law dictates that every man is entitled to a defence, irrespective of the evidence. That is for the judge to determine.
maka wrote:
George Oraro does not play cards when he practises law. He practises pure and simple law based on the factual circumstances of the case. That is why he has for 10 years in a row being declared as the top litigation lawyer by Chambers and Global.

Your interpretation of my statement is similiar to the ogre approach being adopted by the IEBC in this case. See what you want to see ignore the rest. I repeat what I said: "George Oraro does not play cards
when he practises law. He practises
pure and simple law based on the
factual circumstances of the case". In other words or simply put Mr. Oraro will analyse the evidence a client presents to him, determine the legal dimension of the matter and proceed to argue his client"ks case to the best of his ability supported by case law and substantiated by statutory underpinning. Your interpretation seems to suggest that he chooses the cases he will argue and discards the ones bereft of evidence. That is without a scintilla of doubt not what I meant or said
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