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Impact of 30% rental income tax on housing development in Kenya
GGK
#141 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:28:45 AM
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The impact of this tax on housing development may be minimal. Most Kenyans [with capital] tend to play it safe .... instead of investing on a manufacturing concern [e.g light industry] why not just put up a block of flats and collect rent forever. Creative accounting will come up with all sorts of deductible expenses and eventually absorb the tax element as business expense. The initial rent hikes will even out over time and given the demand for housing, it will still remain attractive.

As someone pointed out, interest rates and land prices will have a bigger impact than rental income tax
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#142 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:31:04 AM
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I think landlords must pay taxes.I pay taxes on my meagre salary 30% why not them?
so they have been evading taxes all this time?
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#143 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:16:41 AM
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if you are a landlord please learn what is called Creative accounting !
Bachuma Gate
#144 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:59:51 AM
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Vitu - Your contributions are value addition. What I meant with mulolongo type is those "train" type of houses with a toilets at the end. They can even be mabati type. They could also have be constructed on land with certificates. Landlord collecting rent is always cat and mouse thing. Tenant volatility is high. Then factor in that these are in large numbers all over kenya. It may prove to be a headache for KRA. Its akin to the informal sector businesses. The moment some fellas realize they can earn more from this type of houses than the formal ones, they will prefer investing here. EG. In Pipeline Embakasi, almost all the flats are tuu rooms with toilets per floor cause they fetch much more than the greenspan type. You can see how thing is booming.

So yes it may drive guys to invest more in these type of structures. They will pay tax but well below their real incomes.
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Elephant Man
#145 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:00:33 AM
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In my view Githae and Njiraini should initially focus on collecting VAT on rental income on commercial buildings, where evasion is rampant in the so called low income areas of Outer Ring, Mlolongo, Kawangware, Dagoretti Corner, Kangemi, Umoja, Buru Buru and similar estates and townships etc. etc.

In my view, KRA does not presently have the capacity or competence to effectively and efficiently collect taxes from landlords of residential properties that currently do not file returns or pay taxes on this income.

Similarly, KRA should demand that the owners of commercial and residential properties that do not file 'proper' returns to demonstrate that taxes have been paid on the funds with which they put up these buildings! It could very well be that the source of these funds are from the proceeds of corruption or other illegal activities that are being laundered through real estate development. It is highly unlikely that any licensed lender is providing loans or mortgages to persons without proper building plans or approvals from their respective local authorities.

My two cents....
jaggernaut
#146 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:21:19 AM
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If the city council and other councils have been able to collect taxes (aka licenses/fees) from both formal and informal businesses including hawkers and mama mboga, then it would be laziness on the part of KRA to say that it is not able to collect tax on any property - formal or informal. Maybe they should contract kanjo to collect the funds for them.

BTW Kenya Power, Nairobi water etc collect their dues every month from all these properties, both formal and informal. Maybe they should share their database with KRA.
jaggernaut
#147 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:38:52 AM
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QW25091985 wrote:
if you are a landlord please learn what is called Creative accounting !


It is sad that after all the complaints on the forum regarding lack of services such as roads, streetlighting etc, by govt due to lack of funds, some would still recommend that landlords do not pay tax. Where will the money to provide the facilities and services come from? In countries like the UK, income tax on rental property is mandatory. Even those who live in their own homes (both urban and rural) pay a mandatory council tax of about GBP 130 (about Ksh17,000) per month. That is how they are able to maintain their roads, collect garbage etc. Those facilities in other countries that we always envy are paid for by their tax paying citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_Tax
quicksand
#148 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:49:09 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
if you are a landlord please learn what is called Creative accounting !


It is sad that after all the complaints on the forum regarding lack of services such as roads, streetlighting etc, by govt due to lack of funds, some would still recommend that landlords do not pay tax. Where will the money to provide the facilities and services come from? In countries like the UK, income tax on rental property is mandatory. Even those who live in their own homes (both urban and rural) pay a mandatory council tax of about GBP 130 (about Ksh17,000) per month. That is how they are able to maintain their roads, collect garbage etc. Those facilities in other countries that we always envy are paid for by their tax paying citizens.

We do not lack services because of tax evasion, it is because of mismanagement and corruption. Compare with countries like Finland where PAYE can go as high as 55%,..those guys are OK with that arrangement because that money is put to proper use. A corrupt govt whose leaders themselves don't pay any on their extravagant renumeration lose moral justification to impose more tax on its citizens. I WOULD CHEAT if I had the properties. What do you imagine will happen with the new monies collected?
nakujua
#149 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:56:34 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
If the city council and other councils have been able to collect taxes (aka licenses/fees) from both formal and informal businesses including hawkers and mama mboga, then it would be laziness on the part of KRA to say that it is not able to collect tax on any property - formal or informal. Maybe they should contract kanjo to collect the funds for them.

BTW Kenya Power, Nairobi water etc collect their dues every month from all these properties, both formal and informal. Maybe they should share their database with KRA.


there is a difference between tax and business fees or bills, the latter is usually fixed while taxes have some parameters needed for computation - the difficulty is in applying the parameters.
alma
#150 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:08:14 AM
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The basis of this thread are fundamentally wrong.

There has been no tax increase!

So when someone can post here and say that they will cheat to avoid paying taxes coz HIS gov't is corrupt, exactly what does he expect those in HIS gov't to do? Be honest?

Again there has been no tax increase.

If, when you got your rental property you did not compute the impact of income tax on you, then you were cheating. Just like the squatters in Syokimau, you were going to pay one day.

The time has come so please stop using words like bad for the country, the thread should be moderated etc.

You are a cheat and you've been caught. Ripa!

When you say that properties with tu rooms will boom again realise that you may be talking about another illegality where you build substandard houses against the building code. I'm sure a4 can educate on those tu rooms you are talking about.

Again another illegality to hide from doing the right thing which is to pay tax. When will you stop?

In the end mbio za sakafuni huishia ukingoni.

So please pay your taxes and stop trying to make this a national crisis or a property investment crisis.

Those who've been paying their taxes will feel absolutely no effect with this.

Those who are complaining are the tax evaders and they should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

It is not a national issue. It is a personal issue which has absolutely no effect on the country other than increasing the national coffers from tax evaders.
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