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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,194 Location: nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:mlennyma wrote:Ericsson wrote:KQ should go Malaysian Airways style.
Government took control of it,delisted it and some employees were told to take paycuts.
The airline is at the moment heavily focussing on domestic routes with few international to help it recover i just wonder what one would pay per share to delist .140bob or an average between the highest and lowest price points? uliza watu wa CMC. Last price before suspension of trading! impunity,accesskenya way "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:i will however be a buyer for the rights at 2bob and add more at 1.50 after rights,when you are near the ground there is nowhere further you can fall to and its no brainer the gvt can't let go kq I like your argument: near the ground no further fall! And you hold a huge volume waiting for take off to the sky designating you to dollar millionaire status quo The spirit of the good Lord delivered me from the imminent crash. We may go subzero
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:mlennyma wrote:Ericsson wrote:KQ should go Malaysian Airways style.
Government took control of it,delisted it and some employees were told to take paycuts.
The airline is at the moment heavily focussing on domestic routes with few international to help it recover i just wonder what one would pay per share to delist .140bob or an average between the highest and lowest price points? uliza watu wa CMC. Last price before suspension of trading! Mungu alinionekania. Tunaenda subzero
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:mlennyma wrote:Ericsson wrote:KQ should go Malaysian Airways style.
Government took control of it,delisted it and some employees were told to take paycuts.
The airline is at the moment heavily focussing on domestic routes with few international to help it recover i just wonder what one would pay per share to delist .140bob or an average between the highest and lowest price points? uliza watu wa CMC. Last price before suspension of trading! And that could be 4.60 bob!!  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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obiero wrote:Lolest! wrote:mlennyma wrote:Ericsson wrote:KQ should go Malaysian Airways style.
Government took control of it,delisted it and some employees were told to take paycuts.
The airline is at the moment heavily focussing on domestic routes with few international to help it recover i just wonder what one would pay per share to delist .140bob or an average between the highest and lowest price points? uliza watu wa CMC. Last price before suspension of trading! Mungu alinionekania. Tunaenda subzero Is this you @obiero or @VVS has hacked your account? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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Impunity wrote:obiero wrote:Lolest! wrote:mlennyma wrote:Ericsson wrote:KQ should go Malaysian Airways style.
Government took control of it,delisted it and some employees were told to take paycuts.
The airline is at the moment heavily focussing on domestic routes with few international to help it recover i just wonder what one would pay per share to delist .140bob or an average between the highest and lowest price points? uliza watu wa CMC. Last price before suspension of trading! Mungu alinionekania. Tunaenda subzero Is this you @obiero or @VVS has hacked your account? That recommendation by senate is crucial and shall rock the share.. Mungu asaidie watu wake
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,298 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ProverB wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:How about poaching ET staff? I mean, We Lead, Others Follow: 1. KQ got an all ladies 787 crew, Dreamgirls, ET went got one too. 2. KQ got an all Sino crew, ET went and got one too! Smh. Even the ET CE secretly alluded that for extra points he'd work for airline X! (he should name names) Dumbfounding too is with ET having double KQ's fleet capacity, they carry circa a 3rd more passengers?!? That means KQ has some hidden potential that must be found and unlocked! Bottom line, a dynamic balance to the multi-stakeholders interests must be arrived at soon - minimal casualties. Inclusive of the fact that shareholder interests have been neglected much too long! Unfortunately we seem to have better insight outside and away from KQ management.  Don't tell @obiero coz he will hunt you down. After all how could you know better than Alex on what KQ needs.  @Obiero just reinvented himself, placed KES 300,000 on fixed deposit. Each month he will spare the accrued interest to purchase KQ. Today he managed the first few at KES 4.60 A for the idea. D- for execution on KQ. @Obiero practicing casinomics and passing it off as investments. Thats ideally not @obiero's money. Its free money which can be lost, freely!!! A for idea, A for execution.. We shall ride inside this plane, come what may. Though I am re-entering gradually, with utmost caution For your health. Waa CD mbele ya kuingia KQ so you don't catch the Short-Term-Drama (STD) later!  @vvs seems like those weird people who laugh at funerals.. KQ kuangamia ya kupa raha kwanini?? The newish management looks like they have the best interests at heart. Shareholders at the AGM, roundly applauded Ngunze's strategic shifts Was that before ANOTHER 30bn reduction in Shareholders' Equity for 1H 2015-16 was announced? How many shares does Ngunze have in KQ? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ProverB wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:How about poaching ET staff? I mean, We Lead, Others Follow: 1. KQ got an all ladies 787 crew, Dreamgirls, ET went got one too. 2. KQ got an all Sino crew, ET went and got one too! Smh. Even the ET CE secretly alluded that for extra points he'd work for airline X! (he should name names) Dumbfounding too is with ET having double KQ's fleet capacity, they carry circa a 3rd more passengers?!? That means KQ has some hidden potential that must be found and unlocked! Bottom line, a dynamic balance to the multi-stakeholders interests must be arrived at soon - minimal casualties. Inclusive of the fact that shareholder interests have been neglected much too long! Unfortunately we seem to have better insight outside and away from KQ management. Don't tell @obiero coz he will hunt you down. After all how could you know better than Alex on what KQ needs. @Obiero just reinvented himself, placed KES 300,000 on fixed deposit. Each month he will spare the accrued interest to purchase KQ. Today he managed the first few at KES 4.60 A for the idea. D- for execution on KQ. @Obiero practicing casinomics and passing it off as investments. Thats ideally not @obiero's money. Its free money which can be lost, freely!!! A for idea, A for execution.. We shall ride inside this plane, come what may. Though I am re-entering gradually, with utmost caution For your health. Waa CD mbele ya kuingia KQ so you don't catch the Short-Term-Drama (STD) later! @vvs seems like those weird people who laugh at funerals.. KQ kuangamia ya kupa raha kwanini?? The newish management looks like they have the best interests at heart. Shareholders at the AGM, roundly applauded Ngunze's strategic shifts Was that before ANOTHER 30bn reduction in Shareholders' Equity for 1H 2015-16 was announced? How many shares does Ngunze have in KQ? @vvs. That was before.. And no, ngunze doesnt have any KQ shares. A CEO does not have to own shares to ensure the company is profitable. I wonder, does Collymore own massive holding, if at all in SCOM. Nonetheless, he has been an auxilliary cause of drop in share price esp when he opened up to Chebet about paying salaries via loan. An experienced CEO would never do that
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ProverB wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:How about poaching ET staff? I mean, We Lead, Others Follow: 1. KQ got an all ladies 787 crew, Dreamgirls, ET went got one too. 2. KQ got an all Sino crew, ET went and got one too! Smh. Even the ET CE secretly alluded that for extra points he'd work for airline X! (he should name names) Dumbfounding too is with ET having double KQ's fleet capacity, they carry circa a 3rd more passengers?!? That means KQ has some hidden potential that must be found and unlocked! Bottom line, a dynamic balance to the multi-stakeholders interests must be arrived at soon - minimal casualties. Inclusive of the fact that shareholder interests have been neglected much too long! Unfortunately we seem to have better insight outside and away from KQ management. Don't tell @obiero coz he will hunt you down. After all how could you know better than Alex on what KQ needs. @Obiero just reinvented himself, placed KES 300,000 on fixed deposit. Each month he will spare the accrued interest to purchase KQ. Today he managed the first few at KES 4.60 A for the idea. D- for execution on KQ. @Obiero practicing casinomics and passing it off as investments. Thats ideally not @obiero's money. Its free money which can be lost, freely!!! A for idea, A for execution.. We shall ride inside this plane, come what may. Though I am re-entering gradually, with utmost caution For your health. Waa CD mbele ya kuingia KQ so you don't catch the Short-Term-Drama (STD) later! @vvs seems like those weird people who laugh at funerals.. KQ kuangamia ya kupa raha kwanini?? The newish management looks like they have the best interests at heart. Shareholders at the AGM, roundly applauded Ngunze's strategic shifts Was that before ANOTHER 30bn reduction in Shareholders' Equity for 1H 2015-16 was announced? How many shares does Ngunze have in KQ? @vvs. That was before.. And no, ngunze doesnt have any KQ shares. A CEO does not have to own shares to ensure the company is profitable. I wonder, does Collymore own massive holding, if at all in SCOM. Nonetheless, he has been an auxilliary cause of drop in share price esp when he opened up to Chebet about paying salaries via loan. An experienced CEO would never do that I believe he has 1m plus shares.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ProverB wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:How about poaching ET staff? I mean, We Lead, Others Follow: 1. KQ got an all ladies 787 crew, Dreamgirls, ET went got one too. 2. KQ got an all Sino crew, ET went and got one too! Smh. Even the ET CE secretly alluded that for extra points he'd work for airline X! (he should name names) Dumbfounding too is with ET having double KQ's fleet capacity, they carry circa a 3rd more passengers?!? That means KQ has some hidden potential that must be found and unlocked! Bottom line, a dynamic balance to the multi-stakeholders interests must be arrived at soon - minimal casualties. Inclusive of the fact that shareholder interests have been neglected much too long! Unfortunately we seem to have better insight outside and away from KQ management. Don't tell @obiero coz he will hunt you down. After all how could you know better than Alex on what KQ needs. @Obiero just reinvented himself, placed KES 300,000 on fixed deposit. Each month he will spare the accrued interest to purchase KQ. Today he managed the first few at KES 4.60 A for the idea. D- for execution on KQ. @Obiero practicing casinomics and passing it off as investments. Thats ideally not @obiero's money. Its free money which can be lost, freely!!! A for idea, A for execution.. We shall ride inside this plane, come what may. Though I am re-entering gradually, with utmost caution For your health. Waa CD mbele ya kuingia KQ so you don't catch the Short-Term-Drama (STD) later! @vvs seems like those weird people who laugh at funerals.. KQ kuangamia ya kupa raha kwanini?? The newish management looks like they have the best interests at heart. Shareholders at the AGM, roundly applauded Ngunze's strategic shifts Was that before ANOTHER 30bn reduction in Shareholders' Equity for 1H 2015-16 was announced? How many shares does Ngunze have in KQ? @vvs. That was before.. And no, ngunze doesnt have any KQ shares. A CEO does not have to own shares to ensure the company is profitable. I wonder, does Collymore own massive holding, if at all in SCOM. Nonetheless, he has been an auxilliary cause of drop in share price esp when he opened up to Chebet about paying salaries via loan. An experienced CEO would never do that I believe he has 1m plus shares.... Ngunze? I doubt that
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,298 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ProverB wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:How about poaching ET staff? I mean, We Lead, Others Follow: 1. KQ got an all ladies 787 crew, Dreamgirls, ET went got one too. 2. KQ got an all Sino crew, ET went and got one too! Smh. Even the ET CE secretly alluded that for extra points he'd work for airline X! (he should name names) Dumbfounding too is with ET having double KQ's fleet capacity, they carry circa a 3rd more passengers?!? That means KQ has some hidden potential that must be found and unlocked! Bottom line, a dynamic balance to the multi-stakeholders interests must be arrived at soon - minimal casualties. Inclusive of the fact that shareholder interests have been neglected much too long! Unfortunately we seem to have better insight outside and away from KQ management. Don't tell @obiero coz he will hunt you down. After all how could you know better than Alex on what KQ needs. @Obiero just reinvented himself, placed KES 300,000 on fixed deposit. Each month he will spare the accrued interest to purchase KQ. Today he managed the first few at KES 4.60 A for the idea. D- for execution on KQ. @Obiero practicing casinomics and passing it off as investments. Thats ideally not @obiero's money. Its free money which can be lost, freely!!! A for idea, A for execution.. We shall ride inside this plane, come what may. Though I am re-entering gradually, with utmost caution For your health. Waa CD mbele ya kuingia KQ so you don't catch the Short-Term-Drama (STD) later! @vvs seems like those weird people who laugh at funerals.. KQ kuangamia ya kupa raha kwanini?? The newish management looks like they have the best interests at heart. Shareholders at the AGM, roundly applauded Ngunze's strategic shifts Was that before ANOTHER 30bn reduction in Shareholders' Equity for 1H 2015-16 was announced? How many shares does Ngunze have in KQ? @vvs. That was before.. And no, ngunze doesnt have any KQ shares. A CEO does not have to own shares to ensure the company is profitable. I wonder, does Collymore own massive holding, if at all in SCOM. Nonetheless, he has been an auxilliary cause of drop in share price esp when he opened up to Chebet about paying salaries via loan. An experienced CEO would never do that I believe he has 1m plus shares.... Ngunze? I doubt that KQ's former and current management are very smart. They have made millions over the years. Naikuni & Mbugua pulled in over 75mn/year [official pay] excluding perks like free flights for their families. Why buy shares in a firm you are milking to death? Current & former CEOs (& directors) who have SIGNIFICANT ownership (& whose fortunes are/were tied to their firms) in their firms include: James Mworia - Centum James Mwangi - Equity Bill Gates - Microsoft Warren Buffett - Berkshire Hathaway Charlie Munger - Wesco & BH Pradeep Paunrana - ARM Bharat Thakrar - ScanGroup Charles Njonjo - CFC PK Jani - CFC (deceased) Andrew Ndegwa - Unga James Ndegwa - NIC Philip Magor - Williamson Tea Suresh Shah - I&M (former Chairman) Sachit Shah - I&M (non-exec director) Sarit Shah - I&M (executive director) Sunil Shah - KCB (former non-exec director) Suresh Shah - Uchumi (former CEO & then 3rd largest shareholder) Aga Khan firms (except Nation) work a little differently. The Chairman, CEO & CFO are often appointees of the Aga Khan and serve as an extension of AKFED. They have been some notable failures too. Carl Esprey - ADSS Michael Matu - Olympia (Though to be clear, he is a crook through and through. The 3:1 Rights Issue was a means to pull in cash from unsuspecting shareholders like Paul Ndungu among others). Chris Kirubi - Uchumi Warren Buffett says it best. On Boards - Directors therefore must be chosen for their business savvy, their interest, and their owner-orientation. According to Buffett, one of the greatest problems among boards in corporate America is that members are selected for other reasons, such as adding diversity or prominence to a board—or, famously, independence. On CEOs - Buffett instructs, is to take great care in identifying CEOs who will perform capably regardless of weak structural restraints. Large institutional shareholders must exercise their power to oust CEOs that do not measure up to the demands of corporate stewardship. Outstanding CEOs do not need a lot of coaching from owners, although they can benefit from having a similarly outstanding board. Berkshire’s directors get only token compensation; they don’t get liability insurance either. And they have purchased large amounts of stock. This arrangement—almost unheard of in corporate America—means the directors must truly believe in their mission.WB: “a Berkshire CEO must be ‘all in’ for the company, not for himself” — and “character is crucial,” Buffett noted, since “a CEO’s behavior has a huge impact on managers down the line.” Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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I do agree that the majority of the most important things said adds up well. But as well imagine u could as well dj ur way all through. Ooooh Ooooh Ooooh. Dj Mwa. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:I do agree that the majority of the most important things said adds up well. But as well imagine u could as well dj ur way all through. Ooooh Ooooh Ooooh. Dj Mwa. hahaha
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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stock price is a factor of information and right now, all negative information has been passed across on KQ, management fraud, ticketing loopholes, record losses, bad customer service, insane pricing, sex for tenders, negative equity.. the only question remaining is whether KQ will make a vastly reduced loss than last year. I doubt it. But I believe the firm shall exist into the near future, so we buy in small doses awaiting the turnaround
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ProverB wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:How about poaching ET staff? I mean, We Lead, Others Follow: 1. KQ got an all ladies 787 crew, Dreamgirls, ET went got one too. 2. KQ got an all Sino crew, ET went and got one too! Smh. Even the ET CE secretly alluded that for extra points he'd work for airline X! (he should name names) Dumbfounding too is with ET having double KQ's fleet capacity, they carry circa a 3rd more passengers?!? That means KQ has some hidden potential that must be found and unlocked! Bottom line, a dynamic balance to the multi-stakeholders interests must be arrived at soon - minimal casualties. Inclusive of the fact that shareholder interests have been neglected much too long! Unfortunately we seem to have better insight outside and away from KQ management. Don't tell @obiero coz he will hunt you down. After all how could you know better than Alex on what KQ needs. @Obiero just reinvented himself, placed KES 300,000 on fixed deposit. Each month he will spare the accrued interest to purchase KQ. Today he managed the first few at KES 4.60 A for the idea. D- for execution on KQ. @Obiero practicing casinomics and passing it off as investments. Thats ideally not @obiero's money. Its free money which can be lost, freely!!! A for idea, A for execution.. We shall ride inside this plane, come what may. Though I am re-entering gradually, with utmost caution For your health. Waa CD mbele ya kuingia KQ so you don't catch the Short-Term-Drama (STD) later! @vvs seems like those weird people who laugh at funerals.. KQ kuangamia ya kupa raha kwanini?? The newish management looks like they have the best interests at heart. Shareholders at the AGM, roundly applauded Ngunze's strategic shifts Was that before ANOTHER 30bn reduction in Shareholders' Equity for 1H 2015-16 was announced? How many shares does Ngunze have in KQ? @vvs. That was before.. And no, ngunze doesnt have any KQ shares. A CEO does not have to own shares to ensure the company is profitable. I wonder, does Collymore own massive holding, if at all in SCOM. Nonetheless, he has been an auxilliary cause of drop in share price esp when he opened up to Chebet about paying salaries via loan. An experienced CEO would never do that I believe he has 1m plus shares.... Ngunze? I doubt that Was referring to Bob..... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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mr market seems to take this as good news www.businessdailyafrica..../1/-/n75egh/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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mr market seems to take this as good news www.businessdailyafrica..../1/-/n75egh/-/index.html
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,298 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:stock price is a factor of information and right now, all negative information has been passed across on KQ, management fraud, ticketing loopholes, record losses, bad customer service, insane pricing, sex for tenders, negative equity.. the only question remaining is whether KQ will make a vastly reduced loss than last year. I doubt it. But I believe the firm shall exist into the near future, so we buy in small doses awaiting the turnaround @Obiero do you doubt that "KQ will make a vastly reduced loss than last year"? As in, ANOTHER loss? 2014 30bn loss. 1H 2015-16 Another huge loss. 2H 2015-16 Another loss? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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toothless house with no mandate over such issues!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,069 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:stock price is a factor of information and right now, all negative information has been passed across on KQ, management fraud, ticketing loopholes, record losses, bad customer service, insane pricing, sex for tenders, negative equity.. the only question remaining is whether KQ will make a vastly reduced loss than last year. I doubt it. But I believe the firm shall exist into the near future, so we buy in small doses awaiting the turnaround @Obiero do you doubt that "KQ will make a vastly reduced loss than last year"? As in, ANOTHER loss? 2014 30bn loss. 1H 2015-16 Another huge loss. 2H 2015-16 Another loss? @vvs.. read my post well and even my full year forecast. i believe that there shall be a very small difference in this and last year's results. next year is when positive fruits shall be born, though this is dependent on several external factors and gods lining up the stars just right
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