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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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washiku wrote:But seriously? Yani 4 days later our human rights activists n civil society ave not even held press conference or issued a statement condeming this act or at least consoling the affected? Not even KHRC? Dont they work for Kenyans? I pointed this one out but I was insulted instead. This is their core mandate, but they stood to gain nothing. its more profitable to appear to fight the government of the day when a dangerous criminal is executed in cold blood. Useless bloodsuckers, scum of the earth. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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McReggae wrote:My thoughts, the Snipers positioned themselves in such a way than any KDF soldiers who tried to get to the upper floors was taken out. 6 soldiers dead a number of policemen dead......they decided it was enough, pushed the media and public behind, started the smoke as a destruction and then BOOM. My thoughts too. Explosives blown from the roof to gain access to the upper floors. Anyways, we'll move on. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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McReggae wrote:My thoughts, the Snipers positioned themselves in such a way than any KDF soldiers who tried to get to the upper floors was taken out. 6 soldiers dead a number of policemen dead......they decided it was enough, pushed the media and public behind, started the smoke as a destruction and then BOOM. Day one only. Then the entire mall was taken over but the suckers evaporated! Then casualties! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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simonkabz wrote:washiku wrote:But seriously? Yani 4 days later our human rights activists n civil society ave not even held press conference or issued a statement condeming this act or at least consoling the affected? Not even KHRC? Dont they work for Kenyans? I pointed this one out but I was insulted instead. This is their core mandate, but they stood to gain nothing. its more profitable to appear to fight the government of the day when a dangerous criminal is executed in cold blood. Useless bloodsuckers, scum of the earth. Mboss, ati 'scu.... ' Harsh words those!? We need them. What they need to be reminded is that their mandate cuts across both sides of the divide. Maybe a survivor asking KHRC to have a go at religious extremists in a public forum ie TV
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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why k24 is covering cynthia nyamai's 'almost trip to the westgate' story? there are real stories of heroes and affected people to be told..... Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rollout wrote:washiku wrote:But seriously? Yani 4 days later our human rights activists n civil society ave not even held press conference or issued a statement condeming this act or at least consoling the affected? Not even KHRC? Dont they work for Kenyans? I thought this was a united nation,Uhuru spoke for all Kenyans, civil society included. Its true Rollout...but does that disqualify my question? At least u personally has wished the wounded well, yet the president has spoken for you? Hasnt he?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:My thoughts, the Snipers positioned themselves in such a way than any KDF soldiers who tried to get to the upper floors was taken out. 6 soldiers dead a number of policemen dead......they decided it was enough, pushed the media and public behind, started the smoke as a destruction and then BOOM. Day one only. Then the entire mall was taken over but the suckers evaporated! Then casualties! My question would be, do we take our commanding officers to war school? I would want to imagine that even the slightest course of action would be well thought out and can be defended. If not, then iko chida. Incidences like this and those of Barangoi are bound to keep recurring.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Mukiri wrote:simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:My thoughts, the Snipers positioned themselves in such a way than any KDF soldiers who tried to get to the upper floors was taken out. 6 soldiers dead a number of policemen dead......they decided it was enough, pushed the media and public behind, started the smoke as a destruction and then BOOM. Day one only. Then the entire mall was taken over but the suckers evaporated! Then casualties! My question would be, do we take our commanding officers to war school? I would want to imagine that even the slightest course of action would be well thought out and can be defended. If not, then iko chida. Incidences like this and those of Barangoi are bound to keep recurring. Easier said my friend. We are talking of SPECIAL FORCES here buddy, the ones that took Kismayo without a single casualty, none beats them. You walk into 3rd floor. ....no sign of life. Then u hear gunfire in 2nd floor which has already been thoroughly cleared!! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/20/2013 Posts: 24
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Dear IGP Now that the curtains have come down on the Westgate drama, it's question time Mr. Kimaiyo. Why did it take 5 hours for the elite Recce commando units to go into action? How long does it take for the police to realize that this is no ordinary robbery but a fully fledged terrorist attack? It points to a seriously flawed situational analysis and poor response mechanism on the part of the police. The Americans have REPEATEDLY warned that our glitzy malls are are soft targets to terrorists. It was only a matter of time. What had the police done to make them more secure? Let me elaborate. The emerging picture of the ease with which the terrorists mounted the operation is worrying. If reports are to be believed, they(or accomplices) had earlier driven into the basement in a Landcruiser and moved up cases of supplies (ammunition. Just imagine how much the terrorists needed to sustain a serious firefight for all this time) They then came in three salon cars and parked casually and just chilled. It's only after a security supervisor came to inquire what was going on that they got out and started shooting. How has the Police Service helped these malls in improving their security procedures if such is the lapse in security procedures in such a location?
Given the constant threats of Al Shabab terrorism(about 40 attempts are believed to have been foiled with the help of NSIS and Somalia's intelligience) how could such a prime target fail to have even two armed policemen permanently stationed there? At the time of the attack, the president's nephew and sister as well as the son of a former president were in the building. We could have easily had ambassadors, cabinet secretaries and so on in there. And all the security relied on was a couple of baton wielding guards?
It also worries me that the KDF took over operations so soon, relegating the Police Service to spectators/ crowd control/ mop up operations. The IGP looked like an invited guest in the press conference as Gen Karangi and the Cabinet Secretary run the show. Normally, urban terrorism should be his turf, the others are supporting cast.
Further on as late as sunday, a good number of the released hostages leaving through the entrance towards Lower Kabete Road were not screened, they just walked away. Television reports showed another hostage claiming he saw one of the disguised terrorists blending with other hostages as they were being evacuated. When he repeatedly tried to warn the police he was ignored. PROCEDURES. Are you satisfied with the perfomance of your men at Ground Zero?
The new constitution seems to push magistrates/judges to raise the threshold for conviction of suspects. But the police investigative skills have not received a reciprocal boost to help the prosecution match the higher standards. A recent probe into police investigation files found an appalling level of incompetence. As a result we have had senior Al Qaeda/Al Shabab terrorists slipping through our hands. How seriously are you treating this state of affairs?
Think of the peculiar case of the 'White Widow' Samantha Lewthwaite, widow to London 7/7 bomber Jermaine Lindsay and a dangerous terrorist in her own right. She lived peacefully in Mombasa with her children. During the police raid on her home which netted Jermaine Grant, she reportedly 'slipped' through the drag net. The police then found her in the home of the widow of Musa Hussein Abdi, a terrorist who was killed last year alongside Fazul Abdulla, Al Qaeda's regional chief and one of the most wanted men in the world. What did police do? They LEFT HER AFTER SHE CLAIMED SHE WAS AN INNOCENT FAMILY FRIEND FROM SOUTH AFRICA. Off course when it occured to the police to counter check this information the FOLLOWING DAY, the 'White Widow' wasn't waiting for them with a cup of tea. She was long gone. She must be smiling somewhere in Somalia at the sheer incompetence of your men These are tales are not inspiring at all. Do they bother you? As we reform the Police Service and equip it better, as we thank the security services for their gallant efforts at Westgate we are alive to the reality that each one of us has a role to play in keeping the country safe. Part of that duty is to ask theuncomfortable questions
Clearly someone has to shake the Police Service out of its stupor. Question is, do we have the right man for the job?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/30/2013 Posts: 25
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Our soldiers are some of the finest! War school or no war school. They were at a terrible disadvantage walking in on the enemy...whatever the amount of planning;some plans backfire, sometimes...I'm thoroughly proud of what they've accomplished...we can talk all we can from the comfort of our sofas, comfy chairs; but our soldiers have paid the ultimate price for us to feel "safe and secure". Just take a minute and imagine you're the one going up one staircase, totally exposed to a sniper! Give it some thought!
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