In a fast-moving(ICT)sector, i think it will be a question of how long they can survive. If they survive long enough, in ICT they can pull up something in new thinking/venture(including partnership with a big outsides/or being bought out) that can dramatically reverse their fortunes. On the other hand with loans they took, they can alsso dramatically plunge. I think they need to figure out how to buy time including discontinuing dividends. then also to go softy, forget competing with the likes of kdns in digging the earth, focus on how to ride on them, with a brainy product that fetches a premium.