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Church leaders: Go to hell!!!
haiyaa
#131 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:55:25 AM
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The ideal situation is that this section should have been left to an act of parliament .It is still well covered.No constitution is 100% perfect.

I'm for YES.what we need now is political stability , less corruption and economic empowerment.The other issues can be dealt with as they come

Brewer
#132 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:09:24 PM
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Poundfoolish, your frankness is disarming. You share the views of many who acknowledge that the clause is bad, but 'DAMN IT, WE NEED A NEW CONSTITUTION!' Others further say, its bad but we will change it later. Quite legitimate positions, I belief.

Give a thought to those who believe the issue touches the core of humanity: LIFE, cannot get it wrong and move on with others; and the provisions in the draft are too wide as to allow abortion by demand; that once passed altering the constitution will be an almost impossible exercise.
Fundaah
#133 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:22:55 PM
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Brewer wrote:
and the provisions in the draft are too wide as to allow abortion by demand; that once passed altering the constitution will be an almost impossible exercise.


@ brewer

What do you have to say of the penal code...


The penal code says:

158. Any person who, with intent to procure miscarriage of a woman, whether she is or is not with child, unlawfully administers to her or causes her to take any poison or other noxious thing, or uses any force of any kind, or uses any other means whatever, is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for fourteen years.

wont the penal code deal with 'abortion on demand?'

And why do you insist that altering the law will be almost impossible ?.....Is gathering 2 thirds majority hard for a popular cause?

Outrightly legalising abortion ...... on demand without danger to the life and health of the woman will be strongly objected by all including me....

ask anyone opposing the draft on that basis to come for my signature...even before the referendum.....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Brewer
#134 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:58:26 PM
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Fundaah, I am aware we are making the constitution, the fundamental law, that supersedes any other law, including the penal code. Once enacted all law must bow to it, however tall it may be, and the situation here is we have a constitution that is lower in standards and values than the penal code and you can imagine the penal code bending to it until it breaks its back. We are making the constitution, aren't we?
Obi 1 Kanobi
#135 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 5:48:25 PM
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I will be voting a very strong yes!!!

It could really help everyone if we concentrated on the significant changes for good that the draft constitution has over the current outdated blood sucking constitution. Have the No advocates read the entire constitution?

What is worrying about the No proponents including the church is that they are fully aware that the constitution making process cannot be stopped. All this nonsense about amending the law is just a diversion tactic. To argue against the new constitution is to simply call for its rejection.

I am confident Kenyans have suffered enough and will not let this opportunity slip away.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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