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US Elections, Hillary or Trump?
washiku
#131 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 9:07:38 AM
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masukuma
#132 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 9:17:08 AM
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hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Walls and trenches (those who don't build walls build trenches, or both) are very important in that it ensures "most traffic" cross in designated areas where they can be screened. The wall is particularly important in a town like mandera where half of the town is in kenya and half in somalia. The Berlin wall worked, the Israeli wall is working and so the Kenyan and US walls will work too. We are not reinventing the wheel. Saving even one life from criminals coming from across the border is a major achievement. You can't put monetary value on human lives.

yeah... why don't you spend that cash where it really saves lives. Terrorism has killed 900 people in kenya since 2000 - that is 16 years!! that figure includes the Karaos and Soldiers..... In Kenya have more people dying from DROWNING
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harrydre
#133 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:00:34 PM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot.
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masukuma
#134 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:07:15 PM
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Location: Nairobi
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot.

FYI - that is on "african" soil.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Anti_Burglar
#135 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:54:35 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Walls and trenches (those who don't build walls build trenches, or both) are very important in that it ensures "most traffic" cross in designated areas where they can be screened. The wall is particularly important in a town like mandera where half of the town is in kenya and half in somalia. The Berlin wall worked, the Israeli wall is working and so the Kenyan and US walls will work too. We are not reinventing the wheel. Saving even one life from criminals coming from across the border is a major achievement. You can't put monetary value on human lives.


Me, I cannot accept to climb over a wall, any wall. I will live and die here! Whether as fast as when shot or as long as pining away in hunger. I accept walls are important to those who build them and I have no superior opinion over theirs about their walls. After all, what is so good about their lands that I must climb over a wall to get a piece of it? We should accept our lands with all the good and bad of it and work from within to make it better. Climbing over walls solves nothing!
hardwood
#136 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:10:51 PM
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masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot.

FYI - that is on "african" soil.


@harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from.
masukuma
#137 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:59:14 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot.

FYI - that is on "african" soil.


@harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from.

that is where i differ with you - i believe these "reasons" and "laws" are just social constructs... all made up!! if i am going to die here or i really see no way out - nitakuja kwako kama watu wanakula. it's not even based on "race" or "ethnicity". it's at a very individual level.... i cannot look at the face of my hungry child and tow the line because you have a fence or gate. I will be driven by the same drive that has been behind migration of people for hundred of thousands of years - the promise of a better life. migration is as human as eating.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
harrydre
#138 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:52:43 PM
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Joined: 7/10/2008
Posts: 9,131
Location: Kanjo
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot.

FYI - that is on "african" soil.


@harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from.

that is where i differ with you - i believe these "reasons" and "laws" are just social constructs... all made up!! if i am going to die here or i really see no way out - nitakuja kwako kama watu wanakula. it's not even based on "race" or "ethnicity". it's at a very individual level.... i cannot look at the face of my hungry child and tow the line because you have a fence or gate. I will be driven by the same drive that has been behind migration of people for hundred of thousands of years - the promise of a better life. migration is as human as eating.


Two things:

1) No human should treat the other as seen on those videos. arrest them and return them in a humane manner.

2) The future of Africans well being lies squarely on their shoulders. It's up to us to build a vibrant economy and lift ourselves. Not running away from ourselves. Nobody is going to do it for us.
i.am.back!!!!
enyands
#139 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:59:05 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.

When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.

Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.

I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall?


Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot.

FYI - that is on "african" soil.


@harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from.

that is where i differ with you - i believe these "reasons" and "laws" are just social constructs... all made up!! if i am going to die here or i really see no way out - nitakuja kwako kama watu wanakula. it's not even based on "race" or "ethnicity". it's at a very individual level.... i cannot look at the face of my hungry child and tow the line because you have a fence or gate. I will be driven by the same drive that has been behind migration of people for hundred of thousands of years - the promise of a better life. migration is as human as eating.


Two things:

1) No human should treat the other as seen on those videos. arrest them and return them in a humane manner.

2) The future of Africans well being lies squarely on their shoulders. It's up to us to build a vibrant economy and lift ourselves. Not running away from ourselves. Nobody is going to do it for us.



Leaders,African leaders have betrayed their own people . Look at a country like Gambia ,they have the most petty ,dictatorial dictator worse than Idd Amin called Yahya Jammeh but he is still there and the same people keep helping him rig elections . Sometimes I say apart from the middle east abuses going on ,Kenya is a little better than some African countries .we never see Kenyan captured going to Greece ?usually Ethiopians ,Eritreans, zimbabwean, Gambian and other African countries that are suffering .

Africa has to raise it's economy to stop this non sense going on honestly. I don't know how those leaders feel when they see their people dying to leave their country ... my conscience would bother me if I was such a leader .
murchr
#140 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 5:32:01 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Tim Kaine has taken this debate. Pence is so nonchalant and boring.
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