I had not seen your post, just decided to ammend ndio tukuwe on the same page. All i meant to say was that, what we need is 7 pts from our 3 home games and we are through. That's the average number of points required to progress especially if you've won a game away from home. Do you dispute what i mentioned earlier on Dortmund and Napoli's chances of progression?

Arsenal's first real test of the season today, though Higuain and Albiol face late fitness tests. Spurs should have been the first real test for Arsenal but seems like Spurs hadn't gelled well at the time.

For me this is the stand out match today, Ajax vs Milan is a match of teams with a glorious past but that's it. Celtic should look to capitalize on Barca's defensive frailties, only Pique and Alvez are fit and Messi is absent but then again that has never stopped Barca

I was also surprised the way Barca have not been mentioned as being possible winners, though if you watched the match against Sevilla the other day and see how they were helped to that last gasp 3-2 win (past added time) then you can see why they're no longer viewed as unbeatable.

I honestly think Bayern have what it takes to be the first to retain the title in the CL era, both defensively and offensively.

@Taz that was Dortmund's first foray into the CL after some years in the wilderness. People thought they've lost the edge after losing Goetze but Mkhitaryan has fitted seamlessly and they look stronger than last season!(5 wins in 5 in Bundesliga. Napoli are also strong despite Cavani's exit so probably the reason most of the pundits think Arsenal could be edged out, and I tend to agree with them. Of course since it is your team huwezi ona hivyo.

Real are always strong offensively but weak at the back. Diego Lopez single handedly earned them a point at Villareal over the weekend.

I think Juve will be stronger this season, last season they met an unstoppable Bayern who just wouldn't let them play.

For me it is too early to make predictions. CL is not just about being the best, a little bit of luck or favourtism goes a long way and a bad draw can see a very good team exit early. Wacha tumalize group stages kwanza.