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murchr wrote:
Kweli we are poor
I don't believe this. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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essyk wrote:murchr wrote:
Kweli we are poor
I don't believe this. essyk count yourself lucky that you have 1m in your account...there are few like you "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Since poverty is a state of mind, what would happen if the govt took drastic measures to change the mindset of a people? eg Why should there be poor people in western Kenya yet these poor people hold fertile land that can grow crops of all types? If the govt imposed a tax levy on all land holders, Inc those with less than 2 acres .. wouldn't these fellas be forced to lease this land for cash which they can use to improve their social welfare? If you drive from Kitale to Eld, there's so much idle land which i believe is being hoarded.
Those who have lived in the west, you know that the local Govt has a say on what kind of housing is approved on certain locales. If you dont take care of your house it is condemned and sold out. If such a remedy was imposed on our people (of course politics will play against this) don't you think the social conditions of a people would improve? All the glitter we see out there has been forced. Just like it is in Rwanda..on the grass thatched houses. I dont know about Eldy for sure. But a lot of land in Kenya is held by speculators. Kenyans obsession with buying land is too much. Land Speculation is bad for the economy. I would suggest that gava starts to take drastic action like charging steep property taxes on all idle land except family land.
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murchr wrote:
Kweli we are poor
Only 70k people make over 100k per month, so this tallies with that figure somewhat. Even if you factor in jua kali guys and street hustlers etc etc, I don't think inaweza pita 300k people. If you have made it in this Kenya, thank your lucky stars and hold on tight to that opportunity.
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murchr wrote:Since poverty is a state of mind, what would happen if the govt took drastic measures to change the mindset of a people? eg Why should there be poor people in western Kenya yet these poor people hold fertile land that can grow crops of all types? If the govt imposed a tax levy on all land holders, Inc those with less than 2 acres .. wouldn't these fellas be forced to lease this land for cash which they can use to improve their social welfare? If you drive from Kitale to Eld, there's so much idle land which i believe is being hoarded.
Those who have lived in the west, you know that the local Govt has a say on what kind of housing is approved on certain locales. If you dont take care of your house it is condemned and sold out. If such a remedy was imposed on our people (of course politics will play against this) don't you think the social conditions of a people would improve? All the glitter we see out there has been forced. Just like it is in Rwanda..on the grass thatched houses. Only the rich can afford to argue like this. Surely you have no comprehension of the financial state of majority of Kenyans. They lack basic food and you are saying let them eat cake. Wewe ni hiyo rika ya UK eti, " gazetti ni za kufunga nyama" They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Having a million shillings in a bank account doesn't make one rich or wealthy.
Poverty isn't always a state of mind.
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tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:Since poverty is a state of mind, what would happen if the govt took drastic measures to change the mindset of a people? eg Why should there be poor people in western Kenya yet these poor people hold fertile land that can grow crops of all types? If the govt imposed a tax levy on all land holders, Inc those with less than 2 acres .. wouldn't these fellas be forced to lease this land for cash which they can use to improve their social welfare? If you drive from Kitale to Eld, there's so much idle land which i believe is being hoarded.
Those who have lived in the west, you know that the local Govt has a say on what kind of housing is approved on certain locales. If you dont take care of your house it is condemned and sold out. If such a remedy was imposed on our people (of course politics will play against this) don't you think the social conditions of a people would improve? All the glitter we see out there has been forced. Just like it is in Rwanda..on the grass thatched houses. Only the rich can afford to argue like this. Surely you have no comprehension of the financial state of majority of Kenyans. They lack basic food and you are saying let them eat cake. Wewe ni hiyo rika ya UK eti, " gazetti ni za kufunga nyama" I am a CAPITALIST and I believe strongly that the "Serikali saidia mentality" is what holds us back. Now stop attacking my personality and spew out your intelligence. Is a farmer with 2acres of land poor? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:Since poverty is a state of mind, what would happen if the govt took drastic measures to change the mindset of a people? eg Why should there be poor people in western Kenya yet these poor people hold fertile land that can grow crops of all types? If the govt imposed a tax levy on all land holders, Inc those with less than 2 acres .. wouldn't these fellas be forced to lease this land for cash which they can use to improve their social welfare? If you drive from Kitale to Eld, there's so much idle land which i believe is being hoarded.
Those who have lived in the west, you know that the local Govt has a say on what kind of housing is approved on certain locales. If you dont take care of your house it is condemned and sold out. If such a remedy was imposed on our people (of course politics will play against this) don't you think the social conditions of a people would improve? All the glitter we see out there has been forced. Just like it is in Rwanda..on the grass thatched houses. Only the rich can afford to argue like this. Surely you have no comprehension of the financial state of majority of Kenyans. They lack basic food and you are saying let them eat cake. Wewe ni hiyo rika ya UK eti, " gazetti ni za kufunga nyama" I am a CAPITALIST and I believe strongly that the "Serikali saidia mentality" is what holds us back. Now stop attacking my personality and spew out your intelligence. Is a farmer with 2acres of land poor? No, you are not a capitalist. In fact you are more Stalinist than capitalist. The fundamental principle of capitalism is freedom of the individual person to do as he wishes and not to be compelled to do anything. If a man has 2 acres and he determines that his best use for it is to provide a place to sleep and a toilet to relieve himself then that is his choice. A true capitalist would not want the government in any way to compel the man to do anything other than what he wishes for himself for as long as it is not illegal. Stalin on the other hand believed in maendeleo. In fact there is no leader in any part of the world who has done as much maendeleo as Stalin. Maendeleo at any cost. The maendeleo was more important than the people and they were forced to industrialize wapende wasipende. As a capitalist your worry should be your own wealth or poverty not the poverty or wealth of other people. The moment you desire that other people should be compelled to do something you cease to be a capitalist.
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Kusadikika wrote:murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:Since poverty is a state of mind, what would happen if the govt took drastic measures to change the mindset of a people? eg Why should there be poor people in western Kenya yet these poor people hold fertile land that can grow crops of all types? If the govt imposed a tax levy on all land holders, Inc those with less than 2 acres .. wouldn't these fellas be forced to lease this land for cash which they can use to improve their social welfare? If you drive from Kitale to Eld, there's so much idle land which i believe is being hoarded.
Those who have lived in the west, you know that the local Govt has a say on what kind of housing is approved on certain locales. If you dont take care of your house it is condemned and sold out. If such a remedy was imposed on our people (of course politics will play against this) don't you think the social conditions of a people would improve? All the glitter we see out there has been forced. Just like it is in Rwanda..on the grass thatched houses. Only the rich can afford to argue like this. Surely you have no comprehension of the financial state of majority of Kenyans. They lack basic food and you are saying let them eat cake. Wewe ni hiyo rika ya UK eti, " gazetti ni za kufunga nyama" I am a CAPITALIST and I believe strongly that the "Serikali saidia mentality" is what holds us back. Now stop attacking my personality and spew out your intelligence. Is a farmer with 2acres of land poor? No, you are not a capitalist. In fact you are more Stalinist than capitalist. The fundamental principle of capitalism is freedom of the individual person to do as he wishes and not to be compelled to do anything. If a man has 2 acres and he determines that his best use for it is to provide a place to sleep and a toilet to relieve himself then that is his choice. A true capitalist would not want the government in any way to compel the man to do anything other than what he wishes for himself for as long as it is not illegal. Stalin on the other hand believed in maendeleo. In fact there is no leader in any part of the world who has done as much maendeleo as Stalin. Maendeleo at any cost. The maendeleo was more important than the people and they were forced to industrialize wapende wasipende. As a capitalist your worry should be your own wealth or poverty not the poverty or wealth of other people. The moment you desire that other people should be compelled to do something you cease to be a capitalist. Show me a capitalist govt that doesnt offer incentives (incl tax) to its citizens, show me a capitalist who would sit and shit on his land and i'll wire 10K right now. In a capitalist system, those with capital invest their money in production in order to make more money. If you are not an owner you are just labor, a commodity. Labor is an expense to owners, and owners will always seek to minimize expenses in order to maximize profits. That's why i always tell you companies do not exist to employ but to make profit so the sour headlines of retrenchment will be on for a while. Stalin was a socialist "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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