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Just like NATO, AMISOM will soon run back home with only serious wounds to lick  Or AMISOM thinks it is exempt from the Islamist stamina for war?? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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guru267 wrote:Just like NATO, AMISOM will soon run back home with only serious wounds to lick  Or AMISOM thinks it is exempt from the Islamist stamina for war?? Your views on kebabs betray your confusion on Islam and Somalia. Sometimes you fear kebabs and other extremists, sometimes you support them, sometimes you worship them bla bla bla ndio maana watu hawakuelewi. You sound lost. AMISOM is going nowhere. See you 5 years from now. Kebabs are untrained armed civilians for hire, basically criminals that you try so much to sanitize that they are fighting for Allah (as if Allah is a coward who cannot fight for himself). You have also forgotten that previous efforts to stabilize Somalia were met with resistance from the people themselves! This time round, the people are with AMISOM and your kebabs are on their own. Lets see if the world will listen to the people or a few kebabs. Are you with the Somali people or with Al-shabaabs? I think I know the answer!! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Intelligentsia wrote:Ifahamike kwamba:
1. KDF rehatted to Amisom. Do not talk of Kenya withdrawing from Somali, the correct way to say it therefore is Kenya to withdraw from Amisom, or Amisom from Somali!
2. Somali theatre has barely KDF 4,500 troops – bulk of troops are in +254 and adequate to provide security. So their absence here is NOT the cause of the insecurity in +254, it is actually a failure of homeland security – corrupt cops, criminal intelligence, immigr. officials,etc. So they should stay until AMISOM’s mandate expires – they do great things for their motherland but these can’t be publicly acknowledged.
3. Kebabs are merely youth from poverty-stricken Somali families who warlords brainwash with religion. Like now you go arm and train our Mungiki with fundukis, RPGs, and other weapons away from their traditional machetes. Poor exploited youth - giving them jobs and means of living is key. That means reviving the economy. That means creating a peaceful environment conducive for business for a judicial system, for a political administrative system. That means an external stabilizing (not occupational) force. Raison d’etre for Amisom.
4. The average Somali is a very hadworking person. Why, Somali was once a leading banana and fruits exporter in E.A! They still have very good farmers. And good business acumen too. But absence of peace, and extortion from Kebabs limits them.
5. Somalis are moderate Moslems and do not subscribe to extremist beliefs. They would rather a peaceful life where they can farm and pursue their other main pre-occupations: doing business and pastoralism.
6. But the warlords - who have arms, prosper and enrich themselves from the chaos, would like this perpetuated for the continuity of their personal riches. So they lord over ordinary Soms, conveniently adding religion to the mix and invite Moslem extremists/ Afghan/ M.E vets who import their grievances with US,UK & Israel to E.A. These are the pple @Guru supports.
7. Kebabs were once strong - at the onset of hostilities with the Ugandans in Mogtishu, UPDF was only able to advance 50metres (half uwanja ya ball) in >3 years! Their strength has been reduced significantly, reduced to guerilla tactics.
8. An all-out offensive by an enlarged Amisom with adequate force multipliers (mandege) would almost wipe them out, with resulting vacuum quickly filled by an assertive Pres. of Som. and socio-econo-political structures determined by pple of Som. put in place immediately.
9. And then Som. can join E.A Community – a huge trading bloc that would include Ethiopia, S.S., Ug, Tz,Burundi, Kenya, Rwanda –interconnected by railways, massive highways, oil pipelines, massive elec grids…
10. @ Guru, think of the infinite economic possibilities such a huge market of combined population of > 350 M pple, seating on the world’s largest oil and gas reserves offers...unfortunately you are fixated on point 6 above merely because you have a common religion with them. Sad.
LOL Intel stop plagiarizing my head. You hit it on the head! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:guru267 wrote:Just like NATO, AMISOM will soon run back home with only serious wounds to lick  Or AMISOM thinks it is exempt from the Islamist stamina for war?? Your views on kebabs betray your confusion on Islam and Somalia. Sometimes you fear kebabs and other extremists, sometimes you support them, sometimes you worship them bla bla bla ndio maana watu hawakuelewi. You sound lost. AMISOM is going nowhere. See you 5 years from now. Kebabs are untrained armed civilians for hire, basically criminals that you try so much to sanitize that they are fighting for Allah (as if Allah is a coward who cannot fight for himself). You have also forgotten that previous efforts to stabilize Somalia were met with resistance from the people themselves! This time round, the people are with AMISOM and your kebabs are on their own. Lets see if the world will listen to the people or a few kebabs. Are you with the Somali people or with Al-shabaabs? I think I know the answer!! You have little understanding of a Jihadis mindset! AMISOM could be there for 5 years or 200 years for all they care but the fight will NEVER end until they withdraw! The Americans were sharp enough to understand that in Afghanistan... Too bad we Africans have too much ego! We are now coming to 10 years of the invasion with nothing to show but a few selfies with Somali kids!  Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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guru267 wrote:simonkabz wrote:guru267 wrote:Just like NATO, AMISOM will soon run back home with only serious wounds to lick  Or AMISOM thinks it is exempt from the Islamist stamina for war?? Your views on kebabs betray your confusion on Islam and Somalia. Sometimes you fear kebabs and other extremists, sometimes you support them, sometimes you worship them bla bla bla ndio maana watu hawakuelewi. You sound lost. AMISOM is going nowhere. See you 5 years from now. Kebabs are untrained armed civilians for hire, basically criminals that you try so much to sanitize that they are fighting for Allah (as if Allah is a coward who cannot fight for himself). You have also forgotten that previous efforts to stabilize Somalia were met with resistance from the people themselves! This time round, the people are with AMISOM and your kebabs are on their own. Lets see if the world will listen to the people or a few kebabs. Are you with the Somali people or with Al-shabaabs? I think I know the answer!! You have little understanding of a Jihadis mindset! AMISOM could be there for 5 years or 200 years for all they care but the fight will NEVER end until they withdraw! The Americans were sharp enough to understand that in Afghanistan... Too bad we Africans have too much ego! We are now coming to 10 years of the invasion with nothing to show but a few selfies with Somali kids!  I hope you read my post: simonkabz wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:2. Operation Linda Inchi ended in June 2012 after 8 months. Of 8 nation AMISOM, Kenya's number of troops are 4th with just under 200 casulties 200 dead and they are only basking under the sun of Kismayu beaches! In America 200 dead soldiers who are barely fighting would be a catastrophe If Shabaab retake Mogadishu as is the plan then Kismayu will be next and I wonder how many of these vactioning soldiers will meet their creator! simonkabz wrote:guru267 wrote:[quote=muganda]2. Operation Linda Inchi ended in June 2012 after 8 months. Of 8 nation AMISOM, Kenya's number of troops are 4th with just under 200 casulties 200 dead and they are only basking under the sun of Kismayu beaches! In America 200 dead soldiers who are barely fighting would be a catastrophe If Shabaab retake Mogadishu as is the plan then Kismayu will be next and I wonder how many of these vactioning soldiers will meet their creator! The way kebabs fight my dear, is no match for KDF. I wont give details but you can take that to the nearest bank. Kebabs can only succeed in massacring civilians and laying small stupid ambushes that mostly get themselves killed rather than kill the target. That figure of 200 is grossly exaggerated. Do you know how many kebabs are roasting in hell right now courtesy of KDF? I will tell you this when we meet in private  . Meanwhile, I may agree with you that eventually, only the Somalis can save themselves, not AMISOM. But then again AMISOM ain't going anywhere anytime soon because the people of Somalia themselves need it there, and therefore cannot be dictated to leave by less than 5000 lunatics at the expense of millions of innocent Somalis. The world needs AMISOM there Interestingly, so long as we still have Qatars and other willing sponsors of terror, jobless and poor Al-kebabs are there to stay.......chaos in Som will be with us for a long time to come. For KDF to stay put or to get out is not a very easy question like you want to put it. ............especially the last line. KDF may leave (not easy), but AMISOM wont. No one is going to leave kebabs to their devices again. The world is not short of money to fund operations in SOM to keep kebabs in check. And AMISOM has got a lot to show for their work in SOM. Have you been there? Clearly not. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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guru267 wrote:simonkabz wrote:guru267 wrote:Just like NATO, AMISOM will soon run back home with only serious wounds to lick  Or AMISOM thinks it is exempt from the Islamist stamina for war?? Your views on kebabs betray your confusion on Islam and Somalia. Sometimes you fear kebabs and other extremists, sometimes you support them, sometimes you worship them bla bla bla ndio maana watu hawakuelewi. You sound lost. AMISOM is going nowhere. See you 5 years from now. Kebabs are untrained armed civilians for hire, basically criminals that you try so much to sanitize that they are fighting for Allah (as if Allah is a coward who cannot fight for himself). You have also forgotten that previous efforts to stabilize Somalia were met with resistance from the people themselves! This time round, the people are with AMISOM and your kebabs are on their own. Lets see if the world will listen to the people or a few kebabs. Are you with the Somali people or with Al-shabaabs? I think I know the answer!! You have little understanding of a Jihadis mindset! AMISOM could be there for 5 years or 200 years for all they care but the fight will NEVER end until they withdraw! The Americans were sharp enough to understand that in Afghanistan... Too bad we Africans have too much ego! We are now coming to 10 years of the invasion with nothing to show but a few selfies with Somali kids!  It is Islam that is the problem. There, I said it. Apparently the Arab and the African does not have the constitution to practice it properly without many adherents feeling a pathological need to go murdering other people in the name of defending God. A God who is almighty. The same God who can bring to death to a single person peacefully in his sleep, or to millions in just one stroke, such as happened when it rained oceans with the flood or rained fire as with Sodom and Gomorrah. That God. Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Turkey do not want this jihadist, state religion crap. People of all walks of life have criminals and psychopaths in their midst - but they call them just that, criminals and treat them as such. Only muslims exalt and praise their murderous, criminal kin, calling them martyrs. Sometimes they kill fellow muslims, other muslims cheer. It defies all comprehension. It is unprecedented stupidity. If Somalia had not exported terrorism and crime here, perhaps we would have left them to fester, be preoccupied with their religious clashes. But alas, no, they couldn't leave us be. We are happy to deal with the West, East, everybody as long as you have money to trade. What is funny is shabaab using conventional economic black arts like illegal taxation, ransom and hijacking to collect revenue, using weapons made by the west and still claiming holy war. May be there are reverse Keynesian and Adam Smith theories in the Quran. But now since shabaab had moved into interfering with other people's business, it would have been rude not to answer. Despite all the propaganda from jihadists, no religion can make a person impervious to bullets. They would like people to believe they don't suffer losses, but they do, in thousands- in fact, considerable more loss of life happens on the islamists sides whenever they decide to clash with conventional armies but they spin it as victories. Don't be surprised, logic, sense and arithmetic is different over there. And yes, wars of attrition last decades, leaving countries broken and in the stone age, hundreds of thousands dead, like Afghanistan, Somalia, and now joining the ranks, Iraq, Syria,...but then again, decrepit nations are a victory for the jihadist. They would rather reign over mountains of skeletons and dust rather than tolerate others and prosper. There is hope where a cancerous interpretation of Islam is not involved. Look at Angola now. The antiquity golden age of Islam is gone. The industrialisation and domination age of the anglo saxon West is on its knees, the age of Asian domination is rising.
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guru267 wrote:simonkabz wrote:guru267 wrote:Just like NATO, AMISOM will soon run back home with only serious wounds to lick  Or AMISOM thinks it is exempt from the Islamist stamina for war?? Your views on kebabs betray your confusion on Islam and Somalia. Sometimes you fear kebabs and other extremists, sometimes you support them, sometimes you worship them bla bla bla ndio maana watu hawakuelewi. You sound lost. AMISOM is going nowhere. See you 5 years from now. Kebabs are untrained armed civilians for hire, basically criminals that you try so much to sanitize that they are fighting for Allah (as if Allah is a coward who cannot fight for himself). You have also forgotten that previous efforts to stabilize Somalia were met with resistance from the people themselves! This time round, the people are with AMISOM and your kebabs are on their own. Lets see if the world will listen to the people or a few kebabs. Are you with the Somali people or with Al-shabaabs? I think I know the answer!! You have little understanding of a Jihadis mindset! AMISOM could be there for 5 years or 200 years for all they care but the fight will NEVER end until they withdraw! The Americans were sharp enough to understand that in Afghanistan... Too bad we Africans have too much ego! We are now coming to 10 years of the invasion with nothing to show but a few selfies with Somali kids!  Self deceit could be on AMISOM or NATO role in tumultuous wretched areas of the world... But we just need a tally of Muslim emigrants from these areas to determine where truth lies. In fact force is what keeps AlShabaab in place, plus a supply of weak women and children to dominate. Of course they'll never give up, it's too difficult for a coward to face the truth. Better self delusion in perpetuity. Even Muhammad would be disappointed that the warriors of the Umaayad caliphate degenerated into a bunch of criminal indisciplined cowards.
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These mujahideens are dying like flies in Somalia ask the widows and sonless mothers of Kwale, Majengo in Mombasa and Pumwani in Nairobi. Its all good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:Apparently the Arab and the African does not have the constitution to practice it properly without many adherents feeling a pathological need to go murdering other people in the name of defending God. A God who is almighty. That God. @quicksand you are exposing your lack of understanding! No one is trying to defend God! God gave Moses a law for men to follow! It is this law that David defended, The same law that Muhammad defended and the same law real Mujahideen try to defend! The people of God do not follow constitutions or UN charters! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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