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How to tell NSE has bottomed out
simmons
#2661 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:40:18 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
When the guru speaks......

Think twice
Never be afraid to try something new.Remeber,amateurs built the ark Professionals built titanic.-Anonymous
simmons
#2662 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:52:34 AM
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.....know when to run.....
Never be afraid to try something new.Remeber,amateurs built the ark Professionals built titanic.-Anonymous
ChessMaster
#2663 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:41:40 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
hisah wrote:
I decided to data mine this thread that I started to see if the forecasts added up (@chessmaster the data miner can mine more smile ).

All these cartoons below suggested what was coming... I'll continue drawing cartoons to tell the story.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=334436#post334436
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=338862#post338862
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=344155#post344155
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349333#post349333
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=349504#post349504 - response to @mukiri about holding cash on post #1819

When I started this thread I pointed out some conditions that setup a market to vault. NSE20 is coming from the political fever pitch condition. This is still not yet done and dusted since there's the election contention case as well as the ICC overhang barrier. This is why I still don't see this being an extreme bull! There's still fear and that's why a lot of guys are expecting it to crash. The extreme bull will come when the fear of buying will not be present like at the moment. Also a number of IPOs will be flipping on listing and wanjikus will be having lotsa fun. Phrases like 'just buy it'll go up' will be very common. That will be one crowded bus full of 'bull-sterone' and the selloff will be awesome and wanjikus will be heard again saying 'never again am I buying stocks'.

Wash, rinse, repeat as the next cycle restarts...


Forecasts have been generally good so far except for effects of inflation and elections where taking the opposite position worked.In both TAs and fundies,timing was the most difficult to achieve.

Let me share some findings - When its bottomed and thriving:

1.When brokers stop contacting people for great deals.
2.Very few threads on stocks on Wazua.
3.When brokers are getting profits.
4.When the investor section is more or just as popular as the politics section.
5.When 'wanjiku's' start asking for investment advice and more frequently.
6.When ATS and Online trading systems stop failing - Note,I have noticed mystocks was failing when the market was upbeat.
7.When companies show they are more resilient than market conditions.
8.When Wazuans/Wazualets stop arguing over the market and positions.
9.When there are large and consistent trades.
10.When people are complaining about their cash positions
11.When people start focusing on exit targets rather than looking for bargains.
12.When people stop clinging on to a few shares as indicators.
13.When speculation overrides sentiments.
14.When people are more concerned about TA than fundies.
15.When people throw out both fundies and TA out of the window.
16.When neveready is the highest gainer of the day.Actually happened!
17.When market returns surpass inflation.
18.When more and more companies are expanding.
19.When IPOs and rights issues are on the rise and oversubscribed.
20.When the media shifts from sugarcoating bad news to preaching the good news.
21.When people stop finding the alternative investment segment attractive.
22.When people are more worried about getting out than getting in.This works both ways,when people are feeling both the greed and fear.
23.When people have gotten used to a bear market and start predicting how low a share will go.
24.When NSE is more frequent and confident with their 'twirra' updates.
25.When people stop flattery and romance has bottomed.
26.When majority shares stop trading below,at or slighty above P/B and P/E's 'screaming at people to buy' them.
27.When wazuans/wazualets resurface.
smile


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Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#2664 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:46:45 PM
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I'm optimistic about the afternoon rush
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
kazee
#2665 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:37:52 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
I'm optimistic about the afternoon rush



My question remains: Where are people taking all this money after selling? Having sold 25% of my stocks to lock gains, shall it occur that I may come back to chase prices up again with others who are selling after all this madness cools off?
ChessMaster
#2666 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:43:42 PM
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kazee wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
I'm optimistic about the afternoon rush



My question remains: Where are people taking all this money after selling? Having sold 25% of my stocks to lock gains, shall it occur that I may come back to chase prices up again with others who are selling after all this madness cools off?


I still think this is a setup to lure wanjiku's in for a slaughter.Thats the crazy pessimistic side.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
murchr
#2667 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:03:23 PM
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Will this correction last another day? I still have some cash to be employed
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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ChessMaster
#2668 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:11:16 PM
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murchr wrote:
Will this correction last another day? I still have some cash to be employed


To be honest,I don't know the underlying factor but I think its political.Let me use Ak,posts good returns,clocks 12%+ and as of now its -2% down.Me I will wait and watch.Maybe guru can share her insights on the correction
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#2669 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:15:56 PM
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hisah wrote:
And sanity troops back with a dented face & other injuries. This one has experienced PEV at the stock market since last Wednesday.

Tech readings are too stretched in a short span which I'm still dazed from with 5000 handle almost shuttered! NSE needs to correct some. It was getting ahead of itself too fast.

ARM & EABL PER is really scary stuff.

Now let's see how the lepers (KK, KQ & MSC) will take the ensuing correction as well as crap like paka & olympia.

Paka is still breathing. Wonder who buys such eyesoressmile
@SufficientlyP
hisah
#2670 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:23:02 PM
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NSE20, MSCI KE and NASI should all shed some today. FTSE15 and FTSE25 are down for the day 1.83% and 1.73% respectively. The most damage was at 10am - 11am period when the selloff was strongest.

After the 2 days of madness this is how the charts look like.

NSE20



MSCI KE index


Those tech readings are too stretched and sanity will fight back to bring things back to normal. NSE20 at 5000 level in 2 days is absolute madness without sizable buy volume. Let the correction come so that more fuel can come online for the next 5000 aim and vault.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
youcan'tstopusnow
#2671 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:55:44 PM
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Some drop that!:

Some 48M shares valued at Kes.1.05bn were traded in 3,300 deals, down from 56M shares that were valued at Kes.1.20bn posted yesterday.

The NSE 20 Share Index shed 74.45 points to stand at 4911.45.
All Share Index (NASI) shed 1.35 points to stand at 118.02.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
mwekez@ji
#2672 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:37:17 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Some drop that!:

Some 48M shares valued at Kes.1.05bn were traded in 3,300 deals, down from 56M shares that were valued at Kes.1.20bn posted yesterday.

The NSE 20 Share Index shed 74.45 points to stand at 4911.45.
All Share Index (NASI) shed 1.35 points to stand at 118.02.


Top gainers on thin volume.
Advance/Decline; 15/30.
Clearly the red dominated today.

... but focus remains, over 30% gain on the main index by year end
Mainat
#2673 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:13:38 PM
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Who is selling (rhetorical)?
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Mukiri
#2674 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:07:42 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Who is selling (rhetorical)?

Same foreigners who bought at bargain prices pre-electiond'oh!

This short period clearly demonstrates Warren Buffet's "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful"

Proverbs 19:21
hisah
#2675 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:56:09 PM
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Airtel KE plans IPO - http://www.businessdaily.../-/hn8xpoz/-/index.html

I'll believe it when I see...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
dunkang
#2676 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:02:22 PM
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hisah wrote:
Airtel KE plans IPO - http://www.businessdaily.../-/hn8xpoz/-/index.html

I'll believe it when I see...


Massive under subscription AKA voter apathy. Who would buy a firm that has never declared a profit?
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

BGL
#2677 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:31:08 PM
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dunkang wrote:
hisah wrote:
Airtel KE plans IPO - http://www.businessdaily.../-/hn8xpoz/-/index.html

I'll believe it when I see...


Massive under subscription AKA voter apathy. Who would buy a firm that has never declared a profit?


Its not that they have been making REAL LOSSES, It is a way of evading payment of corporate taxes! Simple.
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hisah
#2678 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 6:19:06 AM
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BGL wrote:
dunkang wrote:
hisah wrote:
Airtel KE plans IPO - http://www.businessdaily.../-/hn8xpoz/-/index.html

I'll believe it when I see...


Massive under subscription AKA voter apathy. Who would buy a firm that has never declared a profit?


Its not that they have been making REAL LOSSES, It is a way of evading payment of corporate taxes! Simple.

Is there any need of buying shares of such a firm practising creative accounting as per your allegation?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mwekez@ji
#2679 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 6:29:27 AM
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dunkang wrote:
hisah wrote:
Airtel KE plans IPO - http://www.businessdaily.../-/hn8xpoz/-/index.html

I'll believe it when I see...


Massive under subscription AKA voter apathy. Who would buy a firm that has never declared a profit?


The IPO will be done a couple of years from now after the company has returned profits for atleast 3 years. The market with its short memory will have forgotten about the losses. lol
dunkang
#2680 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 6:30:25 AM
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hisah wrote:
BGL wrote:
dunkang wrote:
hisah wrote:
Airtel KE plans IPO - http://www.businessdaily.../-/hn8xpoz/-/index.html

I'll believe it when I see...


Massive under subscription AKA voter apathy. Who would buy a firm that has never declared a profit?


Its not that they have been making REAL LOSSES, It is a way of evading payment of corporate taxes! Simple.

Is there any need of buying shares of such a firm practising creative accounting as per your allegation?


as a minority shareholder, how do you benefit by tax evasion/avoidance year in year out?
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

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