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FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Debate has started. Several amendments adopted. Seems this one on interest capping will not be among the agenda being discussed. Does it mean it passes the way it was originally presented by Rotich ?? I don't know but that would be a stroke of genius. Parliament is heading for recess. It's there on the Supplementary order paper. Quote:THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting clause 58 and substituting therefor the following new clause—
Amendment of section 33B of Cap.488.
58. Section 33B of the Banking Act is amended by—
(a) deleting subsection (1) and substituting therefor the following new subsection
(1) A bank or a financial institution shall set the maximum interest rate chargeable for a credit facility in Kenya at no more than four per cent, the Central Bank Rate set and published by the Central Bank of Kenya.
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wukan wrote:FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Debate has started. Several amendments adopted. Seems this one on interest capping will not be among the agenda being discussed. Does it mean it passes the way it was originally presented by Rotich ?? I don't know but that would be a stroke of genius. Parliament is heading for recess. It's there on the Supplementary order paper. Quote:THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting clause 58 and substituting therefor the following new clause—
Amendment of section 33B of Cap.488.
58. Section 33B of the Banking Act is amended by—
(a) deleting subsection (1) and substituting therefor the following new subsection
(1) A bank or a financial institution shall set the maximum interest rate chargeable for a credit facility in Kenya at no more than four per cent, the Central Bank Rate set and published by the Central Bank of Kenya. Thanks, I had missed that. The proposal on the housing fund (1.5%) meets some resistance on the floor.
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FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Junet Mohamed passionately pushing for an extension of the VAT deadline to 2020. This would put on hold plans to charge VAT on petroleum products w.e.f 1st Sept 2018. PS: The speaker has ruled that the rate cap amendment cannot be discussed until treasury gives its input.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Junet Mohamed passionately pushing for an extension of the VAT deadline to 2020. This would put on hold plans to charge VAT on petroleum products w.e.f 1st Sept 2018. PS: The speaker has ruled that the rate cap amendment cannot be discussed until treasury gives its input. Update from parliament; 1. MPs have debated and voted to retain rate capping on loans but removed the rate on savings. Worth noting the speaker had ruled the amendment cannot be discussed. 2. MPs have rejected the treasury's proposal to introduce a mandatory contribution to the national housing fund. 3. MPs have rejected the VAT on petroleum and extended the deadline to 1st Sept 2020.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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The house also rejected the 0.05% tax on transfers over Kes.500,000 (robinhood tax).
What does this portend for the budgeting process in future ??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Junet Mohamed passionately pushing for an extension of the VAT deadline to 2020. This would put on hold plans to charge VAT on petroleum products w.e.f 1st Sept 2018. PS: The speaker has ruled that the rate cap amendment cannot be discussed until treasury gives its input. Update from parliament; 1. MPs have debated and voted to retain rate capping on loans but removed the rate on savings. Worth noting the speaker had ruled the amendment cannot be discussed. 2. MPs have rejected the treasury's proposal to introduce a mandatory contribution to the national housing fund. 3. MPs have rejected the VAT on petroleum and extended the deadline to 1st Sept 2020. fair enough punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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Tomorrow banking stocks will rally;margin of profitability widened Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Junet Mohamed passionately pushing for an extension of the VAT deadline to 2020. This would put on hold plans to charge VAT on petroleum products w.e.f 1st Sept 2018. PS: The speaker has ruled that the rate cap amendment cannot be discussed until treasury gives its input. Update from parliament; 1. MPs have debated and voted to retain rate capping on loans but removed the rate on savings. Worth noting the speaker had ruled the amendment cannot be discussed. 2. MPs have rejected the treasury's proposal to introduce a mandatory contribution to the national housing fund. 3. MPs have rejected the VAT on petroleum and extended the deadline to 1st Sept 2020. Fair enough. Kularaha predicted exactly this fudge on Caps. Let's see if Untie IMF will be satisfied. What boggles my mind is MP's voting down easy cash grabs like the robing hood tax and the earlier plan to create a super bracket for PAYE. Like for sin taxes, no one cries when the rich get hit. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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If the ammendment on interest rates cap law is signed by the president competition will now be on deposits Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Ericsson wrote:Tomorrow banking stocks will rally;margin of profitability widened Is there a rally mood in the nse?I don't think so but anything is possible in a stock market "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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mlennyma wrote:Ericsson wrote:Tomorrow banking stocks will rally;margin of profitability widened Is there a rally mood in the nse?I don't think so but anything is possible in a stock market What if PORK refuses to sign it. Remember ni maneno na IMF. Blood .....  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,501 Location: nairobi
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Chief!
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Viva!! ✊ Now, on this semblance of a rate cap review is that at the onset most savings accounts were made into transactional accounts to create spread, lower cost of funds. With this 0-14% band is still to watch the yield curve especially 91, 182, 364 day T-bills. Whether it will translate to Real economy private sector lending, maybe with 91 day T-bills at 4%, is a wait and see. Otherwise, it will just lower the cost of funding bloat & graft (GoK).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,501 Location: nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:Viva!! ✊ Now, on this semblance of a rate cap review is that at the onset most savings accounts were made into transactional accounts to create spread, lower cost of funds. With this 0-14% band is still to watch the yield curve especially 91, 182, 364 day T-bills. Whether it will translate to Real economy private sector lending, maybe with 91 day T-bills at 4%, is a wait and see. Otherwise, it will just lower the cost of funding bloat & graft (GoK). True. Plus now that the deposits will be on chase, expect smaller banks to fall by the way side via high interest expense
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Wakanyugi wrote:FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Finance bill finally on the floor of the house. There are numerous amendments on the bill. Lets see how this goes.
Junet Mohamed passionately pushing for an extension of the VAT deadline to 2020. This would put on hold plans to charge VAT on petroleum products w.e.f 1st Sept 2018. PS: The speaker has ruled that the rate cap amendment cannot be discussed until treasury gives its input. Update from parliament; 1. MPs have debated and voted to retain rate capping on loans but removed the rate on savings. Worth noting the speaker had ruled the amendment cannot be discussed. 2. MPs have rejected the treasury's proposal to introduce a mandatory contribution to the national housing fund. 3. MPs have rejected the VAT on petroleum and extended the deadline to 1st Sept 2020. Fair enough. Kularaha predicted exactly this fudge on Caps. Let's see if Untie IMF will be satisfied. What boggles my mind is MP's voting down easy cash grabs like the robing hood tax and the earlier plan to create a super bracket for PAYE. Like for sin taxes, no one cries when the rich get hit. IMF also wanted VAT on fuel...they didn't get it. But with cost of funds dropping, expect more supernormal bank profits while you still wont get loans because GoK is paying the same rate as you and is perceived as "lower" risk than you. plus ça change..... BTW, what happened with robbin(g) hood? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:Viva!! ✊ Now, on this semblance of a rate cap review is that at the onset most savings accounts were made into transactional accounts to create spread, lower cost of funds. With this 0-14% band is still to watch the yield curve especially 91, 182, 364 day T-bills. Whether it will translate to Real economy private sector lending, maybe with 91 day T-bills at 4%, is a wait and see. Otherwise, it will just lower the cost of funding bloat & graft (GoK). True. Plus now that the deposits will be on chase, expect smaller banks to fall by the way side via high interest expense Contrarily, sector liqudity is at a record high circa 50% (prudential mininimum 20%). Thus, and with lending capped at 14%, liquidity will be rebalanced and savers will deposit with smaller, agile banks (lower overhead expenses; fintech) offering higher rates on savings than larger banks.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:Viva!! ✊ Now, on this semblance of a rate cap review is that at the onset most savings accounts were made into transactional accounts to create spread, lower cost of funds. With this 0-14% band is still to watch the yield curve especially 91, 182, 364 day T-bills. Whether it will translate to Real economy private sector lending, maybe with 91 day T-bills at 4%, is a wait and see. Otherwise, it will just lower the cost of funding bloat & graft (GoK). True. Plus now that the deposits will be on chase, expect smaller banks to fall by the way side via high interest expense Contrarily, sector liqudity is at a record high circa 50% (prudential mininimum 20%). Thus, and with lending capped at 14%, liquidity will be rebalanced and savers will deposit with smaller, agile banks (lower overhead expenses; fintech) offering higher rates on savings than larger banks. In Kenya, agile = risky. Lets see if folks still have appetite after the Chase/Imperial dramas. I doubt. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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KulaRaha wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:obiero wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:Viva!! ✊ Now, on this semblance of a rate cap review is that at the onset most savings accounts were made into transactional accounts to create spread, lower cost of funds. With this 0-14% band is still to watch the yield curve especially 91, 182, 364 day T-bills. Whether it will translate to Real economy private sector lending, maybe with 91 day T-bills at 4%, is a wait and see. Otherwise, it will just lower the cost of funding bloat & graft (GoK). True. Plus now that the deposits will be on chase, expect smaller banks to fall by the way side via high interest expense Contrarily, sector liqudity is at a record high circa 50% (prudential mininimum 20%). Thus, and with lending capped at 14%, liquidity will be rebalanced and savers will deposit with smaller, agile banks (lower overhead expenses; fintech) offering higher rates on savings than larger banks. In Kenya, agile = risky. Lets see if folks still have appetite after the Chase/Imperial dramas. I doubt. We're talking listed banks here. DTB, NIC.
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FRM2011 wrote:
The house also rejected the 0.05% tax on transfers over Kes.500,000 (robinhood tax).
What does this portend for the budgeting process in future ??
Scrapping the robinhood tax is perhaps the best decision/contribution the house has made in a long time. I don't think they were able to see the whole picture but their self preservation helped KE avert a self inflicted injury. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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