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Shak wrote:maka wrote:mawinder wrote:alma wrote:
Now charging the fellow with fake ID. He had an ID or not? Why does it take Kenyans dying for them to know he had an Kenyan ID?
Who gave him the ID? Is the person who gave him the ID in custody? Or will he disappear like the cop muggers in matatus?
The terrorists should not be charged.It is a waste of our taxes and if charged no advocate should represent them.They should be taken to Langata barracks,injected with pig's blood and then slaughtered.The event should be televised live to teach them a lesson. Tell that to Cliff Ombeta... and Maina Kiai Cliff Ombeta No but Magolo of Mombasa who represents Pirates and one gay champion Makau Mutua
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/16/2012 Posts: 661
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alma wrote:Magigi wrote:kollabo wrote:Ole Lenku - 62 dead
Abbas Gulet - 69 dead
Ole Lenku - Terrorists all men
Amina Mohamed - 2 women involved
Ole Lenku - Nationalities unverified
Amina Mohamed - Americans, Brits involved
Ole Lenku - No terrorists got away
Victims - Some sneaked away
Ole Lenku - No foreign forces supporting KDF
Press - Israelis, FBI supporting KDF
Ole Lenku - Our forces are in control
Press - sporadic gunfire in the mall
Ole Lenku - terrorists lit fire, will be put out immediately
Press - Fire started 1pm still burning at 9pm ...Counting can very hard...you know! If we are still going to go on with the same behavior we had before, when are we said to be learning? Gov't is forming a habit of sparing the truth and to be honest, when you see people saying that Alai is great, then we have a problem. What happens when information is scarce: Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Shak wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:The stories coming out of Westgate expose the weaknesses in the fight against terror. There is the story of the guy who was rescuing people while police in bullet proof vests were hiding..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24206688..And we saw on live television how effective civilian licensed gun owners were in helping evacuate the mall. But at the heart of this story is; 1. corruption 2. Laxity - It was clear from the start that tenants were involved in the attack based on how well they seemed ti understand the building 3. A forgotten fire at JKIA which probably allowed some of the attackers to sneak in through the airport 4. A hapless security force ...there are multiple stories of attackers who passed through various police checkpoints only to be arrested as they were about to board a plane...but the alarm was raised by civilians. Which leads me to ask, how many will have escaped from under the noses of police? This was the time to suspend all niceties and treat everyone (including innocent Kenyans like you and me) as suspects. But you know what people, it is up to us Kenyans to step up and protect our country. Cursed be the owner of those two cars which are said to have ferried the scum to Westgate; and cursed be the man or woman who may have reviewed and authorised the tenancy agreements. The tenant must have been a proxy for the terrorists- a 'legit' business person. As long as he presented legitimate papers wouldn't it be very hard therefore to know the true motive? Agree, we can float around theories of what might have happened but its prudent to seriously think hard and cross check the same, I have no facts myself and so I can not speculate but you don't have to be a tenant to walk around the mall and learn the layout, plus the weapons route has not yet been established to conclude corruption and also police work well with civilian information. while I agree there needs improvements, but so far the only disappointment I have is with the way information is being handled.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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accelriskconsult wrote:The stories coming out of Westgate expose the weaknesses in the fight against terror. There is the story of the guy who was rescuing people while police in bullet proof vests were hiding..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24206688..And we saw on live television how effective civilian licensed gun owners were in helping evacuate the mall. But at the heart of this story is; 1. corruption 2. Laxity - It was clear from the start that tenants were involved in the attack based on how well they seemed ti understand the building 3. A forgotten fire at JKIA which probably allowed some of the attackers to sneak in through the airport 4. A hapless security force ...there are multiple stories of attackers who passed through various police checkpoints only to be arrested as they were about to board a plane...but the alarm was raised by civilians. Which leads me to ask, how many will have escaped from under the noses of police? This was the time to suspend all niceties and treat everyone (including innocent Kenyans like you and me) as suspects. But you know what people, it is up to us Kenyans to step up and protect our country. Cursed be the owner of those two cars which are said to have ferried the scum to Westgate; and cursed be the man or woman who may have reviewed and authorised the tenancy agreements. WHAT DOES ONE NEED TO BE LICENCED? Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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Reports now coming in of the three dead terrorists one has been identified as a white woman.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Am wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:The stories coming out of Westgate expose the weaknesses in the fight against terror. There is the story of the guy who was rescuing people while police in bullet proof vests were hiding..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24206688..And we saw on live television how effective civilian licensed gun owners were in helping evacuate the mall. But at the heart of this story is; 1. corruption 2. Laxity - It was clear from the start that tenants were involved in the attack based on how well they seemed ti understand the building 3. A forgotten fire at JKIA which probably allowed some of the attackers to sneak in through the airport 4. A hapless security force ...there are multiple stories of attackers who passed through various police checkpoints only to be arrested as they were about to board a plane...but the alarm was raised by civilians. Which leads me to ask, how many will have escaped from under the noses of police? This was the time to suspend all niceties and treat everyone (including innocent Kenyans like you and me) as suspects. But you know what people, it is up to us Kenyans to step up and protect our country. Cursed be the owner of those two cars which are said to have ferried the scum to Westgate; and cursed be the man or woman who may have reviewed and authorised the tenancy agreements. WHAT DOES ONE NEED TO BE LICENCED? I am not a military expert but every time I heard gunfire I could see the police take cover quicker than the journalists!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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mawinder wrote:Shak wrote:maka wrote:mawinder wrote:alma wrote:
Now charging the fellow with fake ID. He had an ID or not? Why does it take Kenyans dying for them to know he had an Kenyan ID?
Who gave him the ID? Is the person who gave him the ID in custody? Or will he disappear like the cop muggers in matatus?
The terrorists should not be charged.It is a waste of our taxes and if charged no advocate should represent them.They should be taken to Langata barracks,injected with pig's blood and then slaughtered.The event should be televised live to teach them a lesson. Tell that to Cliff Ombeta... and Maina Kiai Cliff Ombeta No but Magolo of Mombasa who represents Pirates and one gay champion Makau Mutua total idiots who to this day have said nothing to condemn the incident. the 'suspects' should be squeezed and tortured vilivyo to 'talk'. those condemning kdf and kenya police for not providing accurate info should know that propaganda is part of war and has been used for centuries to weaken an enemy i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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"A report from the Reuters news agency said three sources – one intelligence officer and two soldiers – had confirmed that a white woman was among the fallen terrorists."
- via Dailymail
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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Its quite unfortunate that this is what it has taken for us as Kenyans to realize that our exit/entry points are not as safe as we thought they were.....that we've been vulnerable to such kind of attacks for quite some time now. This year alone so many Kenyans have been killed in Wajir, Garissa, Mandera and hata Eastleigh in similar circumstances but kama kawaida we go on with our business as if nothing serious has happened.....hata from the media who usually report such incidents sometimes in a very casual way. Its really sad that we've lost so many lives, very small kids, pregnant mothers....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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kollabo wrote:"A report from the Reuters news agency said three sources – one intelligence officer and two soldiers – had confirmed that a white woman was among the fallen terrorists."
- via Dailymail
Never trust the Daily Mail, it's a tabloid known for sensationalism.
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