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NATIONAL DIALOGUE or #DialogueDiscord
limanika
#121 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:53:57 PM
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Siringi wrote:
? Swala Nyeti

To dialogue or not to dialogue?

What to dialogue?

Who to dialogue?

Where to dialogue ?

How to dialogue ?


It is appalling..indeed weird…that aliar is insisting that meeting with president for dialogue is a matter of life and death, yet under the new constitution, PORK cannot implement much unless it is anchored in act of parliament/constitution? The president is just a part of the executive, which is just but one of the three arms of government. So even if dialogue happens under what law will the president implement the same? Why not go to parliament directly? Whoever is insincere in this whole debate will end up with a lot of egg on their face, but maybe that’s how things were meant to be.
But we know – only too well- their main aim is to distract everyone so Uhuruto do not achieve anything in the runner up to 2017….Can anyone be more insincere / unpatriotic?????
murchr
#122 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:34:21 PM
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No dialogue should happen. Afanye chenye anataka
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limanika
#123 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 7:26:24 AM
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murchr wrote:
No dialogue should happen. Afanye chenye anataka

PORK and DPORK have said there will be no dialogue whatsoever –and this is correct legal position as otherwise they would be indulging in a process not recognized by law, why then is cord continuing with the rallies? What a waste of resources and otherwise useful time???
Rahatupu
#124 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 11:03:53 AM
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limanika wrote:
Siringi wrote:
? Swala Nyeti

To dialogue or not to dialogue?

What to dialogue?

Who to dialogue?

Where to dialogue ?

How to dialogue ?


It is appalling..indeed weird…that aliar is insisting that meeting with president for dialogue is a matter of life and death, yet under the new constitution, PORK cannot implement much unless it is anchored in act of parliament/constitution? The president is just a part of the executive, which is just but one of the three arms of government. So even if dialogue happens under what law will the president implement the same? Why not go to parliament directly? Whoever is insincere in this whole debate will end up with a lot of egg on their face, but maybe that’s how things were meant to be.
But we know – only too well- their main aim is to distract everyone so Uhuruto do not achieve anything in the runner up to 2017….Can anyone be more insincere / unpatriotic?????
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Sema fatigue ya hii dialogue, how will he sustain this for 4 years??

Ash Ock
#125 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 11:24:59 AM
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Location: Nairobi
limanika wrote:
It is appalling..indeed weird…that aliar is insisting that meeting with president for dialogue is a matter of life and death, yet under the new constitution, PORK cannot implement much unless it is anchored in act of parliament/constitution? The president is just a part of the executive, which is just but one of the three arms of government. So even if dialogue happens under what law will the president implement the same? Why not go to parliament directly? Whoever is insincere in this whole debate will end up with a lot of egg on their face, but maybe that’s how things were meant to be.
But we know – only too well- their main aim is to distract everyone so Uhuruto do not achieve anything in the runner up to 2017….Can anyone be more insincere / unpatriotic?????


Raila is fondly remembering the good ol’ days of the Annan peace brokering sessions.

Yes, it’s true that the PORK can’t do much according to the constitution. But recall during the Annan sessions, Kibaki agreed to implement constitutional changes to accommodate Raila's demands and voila, PNU in parliament followed through by voting for the amendments.

Raila wants the same i.e. dialogue with Uhuru, agree on certain amendments, and Uhuru then orders his people in the national assembly to pass such and such laws whenever they are tabled. Raila will also quickly get his people to do the same. Ergo, the amendments will pass quicker than the MP's salary increments.
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shocks
#126 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 11:26:14 AM
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Joined: 3/15/2009
Posts: 362
Rahatupu wrote:
limanika wrote:
Siringi wrote:
? Swala Nyeti

To dialogue or not to dialogue?

What to dialogue?

Who to dialogue?

Where to dialogue ?

How to dialogue ?


It is appalling..indeed weird…that aliar is insisting that meeting with president for dialogue is a matter of life and death, yet under the new constitution, PORK cannot implement much unless it is anchored in act of parliament/constitution? The president is just a part of the executive, which is just but one of the three arms of government. So even if dialogue happens under what law will the president implement the same? Why not go to parliament directly? Whoever is insincere in this whole debate will end up with a lot of egg on their face, but maybe that’s how things were meant to be.
But we know – only too well- their main aim is to distract everyone so Uhuruto do not achieve anything in the runner up to 2017….Can anyone be more insincere / unpatriotic?????
.

Sema fatigue ya hii dialogue, how will he sustain this for 4 years??



Dialogue ni sideshow, main aim ni IEBC and supreme court. come 2017 itakuwa IEBC imeiba kura kama kawa and we don't trust the mutungaroo court, mass action, nusu mkate
limanika
#127 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 12:16:43 PM
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Joined: 9/21/2011
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Ash Ock wrote:
limanika wrote:
It is appalling..indeed weird…that aliar is insisting that meeting with president for dialogue is a matter of life and death, yet under the new constitution, PORK cannot implement much unless it is anchored in act of parliament/constitution? The president is just a part of the executive, which is just but one of the three arms of government. So even if dialogue happens under what law will the president implement the same? Why not go to parliament directly? Whoever is insincere in this whole debate will end up with a lot of egg on their face, but maybe that’s how things were meant to be.
But we know – only too well- their main aim is to distract everyone so Uhuruto do not achieve anything in the runner up to 2017….Can anyone be more insincere / unpatriotic?????


Raila is fondly remembering the good ol’ days of the Annan peace brokering sessions.

Yes, it’s true that the PORK can’t do much according to the constitution. But recall during the Annan sessions, Kibaki agreed to implement constitutional changes to accommodate Raila's demands and voila, PNU in parliament followed through by voting for the amendments.

Raila wants the same i.e. dialogue with Uhuru, agree on certain amendments, and Uhuru then orders his people in the national assembly to pass such and such laws whenever they are tabled. Raila will also quickly get his people to do the same. Ergo, the amendments will pass quicker than the MP's salary increments.

That’s plausible; you must be an insider or recent defector to know so accurately! That said, we have learnt from history and I do not think this mischief will see light of day, unless (God forbid) PSV (Post 7/7 Violence) erupts to the same scale as PEV!
Going forward, a more possible scenario is that this debate will soon die a natural death, aliar will hibernate locally or abroad for few months and then (sadly) he will come up with some new accusations. This might (sadly) end up being the order of the day till 2017, unless there is deliberate change of character (NB- this character emanates from subconscious mind, something aliar cannot change in a day even if he wanted). More sadly, he carries with him a sizeable chunk of the populace though numbers are dwindling fast. Talk of the blind leading the blind….though some kod politicians have admitted they are just keeping in the bandwagon to avoid backlash…
simonkabz
#128 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 12:50:13 PM
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limanika wrote:
Ash Ock wrote:
limanika wrote:
It is appalling..indeed weird…that aliar is insisting that meeting with president for dialogue is a matter of life and death, yet under the new constitution, PORK cannot implement much unless it is anchored in act of parliament/constitution? The president is just a part of the executive, which is just but one of the three arms of government. So even if dialogue happens under what law will the president implement the same? Why not go to parliament directly? Whoever is insincere in this whole debate will end up with a lot of egg on their face, but maybe that’s how things were meant to be.
But we know – only too well- their main aim is to distract everyone so Uhuruto do not achieve anything in the runner up to 2017….Can anyone be more insincere / unpatriotic?????


Raila is fondly remembering the good ol’ days of the Annan peace brokering sessions.

Yes, it’s true that the PORK can’t do much according to the constitution. But recall during the Annan sessions, Kibaki agreed to implement constitutional changes to accommodate Raila's demands and voila, PNU in parliament followed through by voting for the amendments.

Raila wants the same i.e. dialogue with Uhuru, agree on certain amendments, and Uhuru then orders his people in the national assembly to pass such and such laws whenever they are tabled. Raila will also quickly get his people to do the same. Ergo, the amendments will pass quicker than the MP's salary increments.

That’s plausible; you must be an insider or recent defector to know so accurately! That said, we have learnt from history and I do not think this mischief will see light of day, unless (God forbid) PSV (Post 7/7 Violence) erupts to the same scale as PEV!
Going forward, a more possible scenario is that this debate will soon die a natural death, aliar will hibernate locally or abroad for few months and then (sadly) he will come up with some new accusations. This might (sadly) end up being the order of the day till 2017, unless there is deliberate change of character (NB- this character emanates from subconscious mind, something aliar cannot change in a day even if he wanted). More sadly, he carries with him a sizeable chunk of the populace though numbers are dwindling fast. Talk of the blind leading the blind….though some kod politicians have admitted they are just keeping in the bandwagon to avoid backlash…


Very plausible, and you have painted the picture quite well.

Guys allowing an old man to carry their brains on their behalf is a rather sad story.
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Ash Ock
#129 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 3:19:52 PM
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Joined: 8/27/2010
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Location: Nairobi
limanika wrote:
That’s plausible; you must be an insider or recent defector to know so accurately! That said, we have learnt from history and I do not think this mischief will see light of day, unless (God forbid) PSV (Post 7/7 Violence) erupts to the same scale as PEV!


No, am neither an insider nor a defector. When it comes to our politicians, I strongly believe in the adage “never underestimate the predictability of stupidity”, in other words, I’m always expecting them to do/say something extremely dumb.

limanika wrote:
Going forward, a more possible scenario is that this debate will soon die a natural death, aliar will hibernate locally or abroad for few months and then (sadly) he will come up with some new accusations. This might (sadly) end up being the order of the day till 2017, unless there is deliberate change of character (NB- this character emanates from subconscious mind, something aliar cannot change in a day even if he wanted). More sadly, he carries with him a sizeable chunk of the populace though numbers are dwindling fast. Talk of the blind leading the blind….though some kod politicians have admitted they are just keeping in the bandwagon to avoid backlash…


Agree wholeheartedly with your theory.
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washiku
#130 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2014 3:22:33 PM
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