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Alcoblow - Is it the solution?
mkenyan
#121 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 2:32:46 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
Some of these arrests are quite embarrassing. If you get busted, just cooperate, theatrics land you on Prime Time TV - https://www.youtube.com/...re=youtube_gdata_player

and a probox driver had to feature with a probox madness.
ZZE123
#122 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 2:54:40 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Some of these arrests are quite embarrassing. If you get busted, just cooperate, theatrics land you on Prime Time TV - https://www.youtube.com/...re=youtube_gdata_player

and a probox driver had to feature with a probox madness.

After watching this clip I will only drink at the local. Its too embarrassing to be nabbed.Sad Sad Sad
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
Swenani
#123 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 3:03:38 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
quicksand wrote:
I was at Rafikiz last night. It was nearly empty...this was a pub that used to get packed to the rafters and people would park on the green between the roads!
Now let us extrapolate ..
How much revenue did EABL pull in last year? They are going to take a massive hit ....so will KRA tax collection...10 to 15 billion perhaps from KBL alone? Not to mention the drinking establishments. The share will take a small hit as well. Some more domestic borrowing from the gavmint to cover the short fall....Credit will become just a little bit more expensive?
Cascade effect.
Not that I am saying alcoblow should be pulled


How many billions is one life lost worth? How much would you pay a family that is orphaned as a result of drank driving to fully compensate them for the loss of their bread winner? How many billions would you pay a guy who shall no longer walk and have to depend on a wheel chair for the rest of his life?


You can't put a monetary figure to the value of life ...yet strangely we do, and it is usually not worth billions, but just a couple of millions (and that is just for some people). Ask your insurer how much your life insurance cover tops out at, if you have one. See that rider I put in there and highlighted in red? That was to deflate any emotionally charged response, just like the one you have posted. It is touching, but it is also useless.
Fait accompli. Alcoblow has happened. Allow me to repeat myself and say I am not advocating for it to be pulled from use, my question is what financial implications will come about from behavioural changes. Divorce yourself momentarily from emotional slingshots and enter the world of cold calculation and policy analysis.
Like this:
http://personal.lse.ac.u...ing_Bans_2011_01_19.pdf


The money's lost by the drinking joints establishment will definitely not be thrown into a hole or something. It will find itself in the economy through other means.
Either booming businesses over the weekends... It could end up being diverted into salons as husbands give it all to their wives.
The soft drinks industries may be the beneficiaries.

It is good to conduct a survey of where drinkers will now take their monies and invest there.


The money wont be lost.It will go to the local bars.If you have enough cash open a serious local in your neighborhood and watch yourself get rich while you neighbors get drunk
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
quicksand
#124 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 3:27:45 PM
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Swenani wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
quicksand wrote:
washiku wrote:
quicksand wrote:
I was at Rafikiz last night. It was nearly empty...this was a pub that used to get packed to the rafters and people would park on the green between the roads!
Now let us extrapolate ..
How much revenue did EABL pull in last year? They are going to take a massive hit ....so will KRA tax collection...10 to 15 billion perhaps from KBL alone? Not to mention the drinking establishments. The share will take a small hit as well. Some more domestic borrowing from the gavmint to cover the short fall....Credit will become just a little bit more expensive?
Cascade effect.
Not that I am saying alcoblow should be pulled


How many billions is one life lost worth? How much would you pay a family that is orphaned as a result of drank driving to fully compensate them for the loss of their bread winner? How many billions would you pay a guy who shall no longer walk and have to depend on a wheel chair for the rest of his life?


You can't put a monetary figure to the value of life ...yet strangely we do, and it is usually not worth billions, but just a couple of millions (and that is just for some people). Ask your insurer how much your life insurance cover tops out at, if you have one. See that rider I put in there and highlighted in red? That was to deflate any emotionally charged response, just like the one you have posted. It is touching, but it is also useless.
Fait accompli. Alcoblow has happened. Allow me to repeat myself and say I am not advocating for it to be pulled from use, my question is what financial implications will come about from behavioural changes. Divorce yourself momentarily from emotional slingshots and enter the world of cold calculation and policy analysis.
Like this:
http://personal.lse.ac.u...ing_Bans_2011_01_19.pdf


The money's lost by the drinking joints establishment will definitely not be thrown into a hole or something. It will find itself in the economy through other means.
Either booming businesses over the weekends... It could end up being diverted into salons as husbands give it all to their wives.
The soft drinks industries may be the beneficiaries.

It is good to conduct a survey of where drinkers will now take their monies and invest there.


The money wont be lost.It will go to the local bars.If you have enough cash open a serious local in your neighborhood and watch yourself get rich while you neighbors get drunk

Predictably:
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/plwgwnz/-/index.html
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Swenani
#125 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 3:34:11 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Some of these arrests are quite embarrassing. If you get busted, just cooperate, theatrics land you on Prime Time TV - https://www.youtube.com/...re=youtube_gdata_player

and a probox driver had to feature with a probox madness.

After watching this clip I will only drink at the local. Its too embarrassing to be nabbed.Sad Sad Sad


Quote:
Mr Muya together with Ms Apee and other officials said police were also subjecting motorist to humiliating roadside tests in the name of curbing drunk driving.

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
theman192000
#126 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 4:39:20 PM
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Posts: 401
2012 wrote:


Wow, some of the people listed have big cars. Is it that they thought they could buy their way out?Think
theman192000
#127 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 4:41:40 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Some of these arrests are quite embarrassing. If you get busted, just cooperate, theatrics land you on Prime Time TV - https://www.youtube.com/...re=youtube_gdata_player

and a probox driver had to feature with a probox madness.


What the clip clearly demonstrates is that alcohol impairs judgement. The cops showed a lot of restraint under the circumstances.
ZZE123
#128 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 4:57:03 PM
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A colleague of mine just reported to office after spending the day at milimani. He was nabbed on Friday night but refused to blow on the gadget. He was charged with “Failure to obey police instructions” and fined 10K while those charged with DUI were finned between 20K and 30K!!d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
Lolest!
#129 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 6:43:00 PM
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Location: Kianjokoma
KulaRaha wrote:
But is it legal to have these tests shown on TV. I see a potential court case coming from this...

is it legal to show a suspected thief being arrested? Is it legal to show a corrupt officer being arrested? Is it legal to show a matatu being inspected. 'Our' class is being targetted!!
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washiku
#130 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 6:49:09 PM
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Joined: 5/9/2007
Posts: 13,095
Lolest! wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
But is it legal to have these tests shown on TV. I see a potential court case coming from this...

is it legal to show a suspected thief being arrested? Is it legal to show a corrupt officer being arrested? Is it legal to show a matatu being inspected. 'Our' class is being targetted!!


This is the exact thing that came to my mind when I read that post. Eg Is it legal to expose the alshabaab who were nubbed in a mosque in Mombasa?
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