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@ Simonkabz
There is no need for arguments. You support PK, he will NOT win and in the event of a run-off he will be only a voter just like you. Think, who will PK vote for in a runoff between Raila Na Uhuru?.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Jaina wrote:@ Simonkabz
There is no need for arguments. You support PK, he will NOT win and in the event of a run-off he will be only a voter just like you. Think, who will PK vote for in a runoff between Raila Na Uhuru?.
hehehe you don't get it. My problem is the TNA fanatics. Their arguments are just funny. How I wish they were like mawinder. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,588
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alma wrote:Much Know wrote:alma wrote:I think you are a comedian. Yesterday, you said this Much Know wrote:We said several times this sanctions idea is an idea without any basis nobody listened! Now the envoys are saying it, i guess they have realised.
1. They may promote a "Mugabe" land reformer in Kenya.
2. Jubilee is the party that will best serve their interest.
Today, you say, "they are going for your freedom". Which is it? Sanctions, Freedom. Gani? Jubilee is the party that will surely make us all suffer economically. All so that we can say mzungus and nyonyos in the same sentence. Please go back to the strategy meeting coz you now sound confused. All these are non issues, be independent, lets talk about carsons leftist leanings, it's just interference, his boss was speaking differently, they wont interfere, every candidate obviously comes with different consequences....consequences..kwisha. Ok lets speak about the issues. Here are mine......   Let's start there. Then I will listen to your communism issues. Have you heard how Rwanda which had worse violence solved their issues through Gecaca Courts in Rwanda, at least if we do that in Kenya, even the poor people in that picture will have their day in court, why should the cases be tried abroad? Did you know the French government threatened Kagame and accused him of causing genocide and issued arrest warrants for him and his ministers and actually got one arrested? What happened to Rwanda since? They are indepedent and doing their own thing, we shall do it better! We are Kenyans, I can ask one of our athletes to thump his bony chest on our behalf, we are free! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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^^^  TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:
Have you heard how Rwanda which had worse violence solved their issues through Gecaca Courts in Rwanda, at least if we do that in Kenya, even the poor people in that picture will have their day in court, why should the cases be tried abroad? Did you know the French government threatened Kagame and accused him of causing genocide and issued arrest warrants for him and his ministers and actually got one arrested? What happened to Rwanda since? They are indepedent and doing their own thing, we shall do it better! We are Kenyans, I can ask one of our athletes to thump his bony chest on our behalf, we are free!
Did you just ask that question? @Much Know,..you need to pause and collect your thoughts first before hammering the keyboard in haste. You end up biting your own tail. Is it not these same fellows who yelled at the top of their voices, in front of TV cameras lets not be vague, lets go to the hague?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:Much Know wrote:
Have you heard how Rwanda which had worse violence solved their issues through Gecaca Courts in Rwanda, at least if we do that in Kenya, even the poor people in that picture will have their day in court, why should the cases be tried abroad? Did you know the French government threatened Kagame and accused him of causing genocide and issued arrest warrants for him and his ministers and actually got one arrested? What happened to Rwanda since? They are indepedent and doing their own thing, we shall do it better! We are Kenyans, I can ask one of our athletes to thump his bony chest on our behalf, we are free!
Did you just ask that question? @Much Know,..you need to pause and collect your thoughts first before hammering the keyboard in haste. You end up biting your own tail. Is it not these same fellows who yelled at the top of their voices, in front of TV cameras lets not be vague, lets go to the hague? Wakasema hague will take 90yrs by which time some would be dead.......they humiliated the PM and president when they tried to whip the MPs in parliament to endorse a local solution!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,588
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quicksand wrote:Much Know wrote:
Have you heard how Rwanda which had worse violence solved their issues through Gecaca Courts in Rwanda, at least if we do that in Kenya, even the poor people in that picture will have their day in court, why should the cases be tried abroad? Did you know the French government threatened Kagame and accused him of causing genocide and issued arrest warrants for him and his ministers and actually got one arrested? What happened to Rwanda since? They are indepedent and doing their own thing, we shall do it better! We are Kenyans, I can ask one of our athletes to thump his bony chest on our behalf, we are free!
Did you just ask that question? @Much Know,..you need to pause and collect your thoughts first before hammering the keyboard in haste. You end up biting your own tail. Is it not these same fellows who yelled at the top of their voices, in front of TV cameras lets not be vague, lets go to the hague? Let me remind you that you live in a free country, and a largely free Africa. Let me remind you also that you are a free citizen who can exercise your own judgement because you understand Kenyan dynamics (including our unique tribalism) better than western diplomats. Uhuru and Ruto were not presidential candidates when this cases were referred to Hague and we had not completed our Judiciary reforms, circumstances are now different. I consider the Tanzanians President call for the cases to be taken to Arusha more weighty than ambiguous utterances by "semi-junior/senior" western diplomats. Please note J.Kenyatta was in "a Hague" called Kapenguria convicted of atrocities (by the Ocampos and Bensoudas of the day) when we told the same westerners that he will rule us, nothing has changed about our better judgement in our internal matters, the westerners have not become better judges! Kenyans died and were imprisoned, castrated, murdered, hanged by the same westerners for you to get this freedom to vote your own leaders as you please, shauri yako if you will be guided by meaningless ambiguous western statements. For me Jubilee remains the very best party with the best prospects for Kenya! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,588
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"For those that will fight for it...FREEDOM...has a flavor the protected shall never know"
A famous clarion whenever Americans fright to protect their freedom, I will do the same, the cost of our freedom is too great for us to surrender it to interference. Jubilee all the way! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/5/2009 Posts: 119 Location: nairobi, dolnhom
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Much Know wrote:quicksand wrote:Much Know wrote:
Have you heard how Rwanda which had worse violence solved their issues through Gecaca Courts in Rwanda, at least if we do that in Kenya, even the poor people in that picture will have their day in court, why should the cases be tried abroad? Did you know the French government threatened Kagame and accused him of causing genocide and issued arrest warrants for him and his ministers and actually got one arrested? What happened to Rwanda since? They are indepedent and doing their own thing, we shall do it better! We are Kenyans, I can ask one of our athletes to thump his bony chest on our behalf, we are free!
Did you just ask that question? @Much Know,..you need to pause and collect your thoughts first before hammering the keyboard in haste. You end up biting your own tail. Is it not these same fellows who yelled at the top of their voices, in front of TV cameras lets not be vague, lets go to the hague? Let me remind you that you live in a free country, and a largely free Africa. Let me remind you also that you are a free citizen who can exercise your own judgement because you understand Kenyan dynamics (including our unique tribalism) better than western diplomats. Uhuru and Ruto were not presidential candidates when this cases were referred to Hague and we had not completed our Judiciary reforms, circumstances are now different. I consider the Tanzanians President call for the cases to be taken to Arusha more weighty than ambiguous utterances by "semi-junior/senior" western diplomats. Please note J.Kenyatta was in "a Hague" called Kapenguria convicted of atrocities (by the Ocampos and Bensoudas of the day) when we told the same westerners that he will rule us, nothing has changed about our better judgement in our internal matters, the westerners have not become better judges! Kenyans died and were imprisoned, castrated, murdered, hanged by the same westerners for you to get this freedom to vote your own leaders as you please, shauri yako if you will be guided by meaningless ambiguous western statements. For me Jubilee remains the very best party with the best prospects for Kenya! lets not be vague, lets go to the HagueGod is faithful,Our prayers were answered long time ago---- Hague here we come Your work will form a large part of your life the only way to be trully satisfied is to love what you do.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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quicksand wrote:You are looking for a simple, straight answer from a world of politics, showiness and duplicity. You will not get it. These guys have seen how much of a pain in the bum a sitting president can be when it comes to ICC (Bashir). We are a small nation of not much consequence in the global scheme of things; The rest of the world can toss us aside without losing much sleep. So they are saying, in the only way they know how, don't foist upon the 'international community' another potential headache (like Bashir), do this and we'll toss you into the dustbin. I have no illusions about these threats becoming very real very quickly. I just feel so helpless. Since 1991 Somalia has languished, without government as a failed state. No one cared. It is ironic that Kenya, with its meagre resources stepped up. Who knows, may be another fellow poor country,..Eritrea for example, will give us a much needed shot in the arm after gruelling economic hardships 7 to 10 years down the line. Karma, paying us back for our good deed in Somalia and all  @quicksand. Pewa crate mzima. Use of emotions in voting will sweep this country to dogs and as usual,mzungu and Rao will be blamed by the very people playing with dynamite.. Those singing freedom @Much Know, you should tell me if the suspects after taking office cites the constitutional immunity for a sitting president,not cooperating with ICC hence sanctions and the economy grinds to a halt, what freedom will you be enjoying? Stop comparing apples to pig,Kapenguria times are not what we have with ICC. Can freedom be exercised only by voting in suspects? I thought we have more than 7 candidates,why don't you exercise that freedom without throwing the country you claim to love,to the dogs? Feel free to refer to the "Why Africa is poor compared to the West" thread under investors.
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