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Cytonn Investments
My 2 cents
#1271 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2021 6:50:29 PM
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One's got to feel sorry for the Cytonnaires. If you invest long enough you will know that anyone offering you the rates that they were promising is a scammer.
KulaRaha
#1272 Posted : Monday, August 30, 2021 9:48:51 AM
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I wonder how the SBM loan is performing? It was in 2019 for 3 years.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
muganda
#1273 Posted : Monday, August 30, 2021 11:31:20 AM
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Pain caused needs to be shared. Can't believe the Cytonnaires have not yet replaced Cytonn as the fund manager. Unless Cytonn revenue is directly affected, pain is not aligned.
tony stark
#1274 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2021 10:29:36 AM
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muganda wrote:
Pain caused needs to be shared. Can't believe the Cytonnaires have not yet replaced Cytonn as the fund manager. Unless Cytonn revenue is directly affected, pain is not aligned.


But how many Cytonnaires are there in the CHYS?? Probably less than 5000. But the largest capital is mainly held by a few so less than 100 people probably held by 60-80% of the fund.

The Cytonn contract is actually very solid and this risk is in the contract. The few cytonnaires who went to court just wasted money .... all this is in the contract.

There is noise and signal. Noise is PK and wazua noisemakers. The signal is that underlying assest actually exist and the people who want to convert funds to property can actually do that. The challenge is that the noisemakers don't have enough to change their funds to property.

If you have the funds, do you really want an apartment in Alma? I would rather roll the dice on compounding of my investment and see where it lands me when the economy recovers than convert it to an apartment that I have to manage. Waste of time.

Separate the noise from the signal and you will see why the cytonnaires are not making noise.

tony stark
#1275 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:42:19 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
“Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza – A good thing sells, a bad thing advertises.”

An old age adage.The adverstising was very aggressive. Selling dreams, smokes and mirrors.


Like Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth?



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poundfoolish people don't realize they are pawns in the rule of 7 for marketing. But I agree with my 2 cents in that if he wasn't being convinced they the cytonn ads then they probably need to change their marketing strategy because it didn't seem to land with My2 cents. You know My 2 cents is the most important customer Cytonn can have!
mv_ufanisi
#1276 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2021 3:08:19 PM
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tony stark wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
“Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza – A good thing sells, a bad thing advertises.”

An old age adage.The adverstising was very aggressive. Selling dreams, smokes and mirrors.


Like Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth?



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poundfoolish people don't realize they are pawns in the rule of 7 for marketing. But I agree with my 2 cents in that if he wasn't being convinced they the cytonn ads then they probably need to change their marketing strategy because it didn't seem to land with My2 cents. You know My 2 cents is the most important customer Cytonn can have!


haha, Cytonn is NO Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth.

and a Cytonnaire is No millionaire or billionaire or trillionaire.

a Cytonnaire is a person who can't trace their money after expecting 18% interest rates.

winmak
#1277 Posted : Wednesday, September 01, 2021 9:17:45 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
tony stark wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
“Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza – A good thing sells, a bad thing advertises.”

An old age adage.The adverstising was very aggressive. Selling dreams, smokes and mirrors.


Like Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth?



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poundfoolish people don't realize they are pawns in the rule of 7 for marketing. But I agree with my 2 cents in that if he wasn't being convinced they the cytonn ads then they probably need to change their marketing strategy because it didn't seem to land with My2 cents. You know My 2 cents is the most important customer Cytonn can have!


haha, Cytonn is NO Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth.

and a Cytonnaire is No millionaire or billionaire or trillionaire.

a Cytonnaire is a person who can't trace their money after expecting 18% interest rates.



Wah Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly , surely @mv be nice...
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
KulaRaha
#1278 Posted : Wednesday, September 01, 2021 11:16:09 AM
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Joined: 7/26/2007
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
tony stark wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
“Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza – A good thing sells, a bad thing advertises.”

An old age adage.The adverstising was very aggressive. Selling dreams, smokes and mirrors.


Like Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth?



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Poundfoolish people don't realize they are pawns in the rule of 7 for marketing. But I agree with my 2 cents in that if he wasn't being convinced they the cytonn ads then they probably need to change their marketing strategy because it didn't seem to land with My2 cents. You know My 2 cents is the most important customer Cytonn can have!


haha, Cytonn is NO Coca Cola, Safaricom, Equity and so on and so forth.

and a Cytonnaire is No millionaire or billionaire or trillionaire.

a Cytonnaire is a person who can't trace their money after expecting 18% interest rates.



Brutal Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
muganda
#1279 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:14:32 AM
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Joined: 9/15/2006
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tony stark wrote:
muganda wrote:
Pain caused needs to be shared. Can't believe the Cytonnaires have not yet replaced Cytonn as the fund manager. Unless Cytonn revenue is directly affected, pain is not aligned.


But how many Cytonnaires are there in the CHYS?? Probably less than 5000. But the largest capital is mainly held by a few so less than 100 people probably held by 60-80% of the fund.

The Cytonn contract is actually very solid and this risk is in the contract. The few cytonnaires who went to court just wasted money .... all this is in the contract.

There is noise and signal. Noise is PK and wazua noisemakers. The signal is that underlying assest actually exist and the people who want to convert funds to property can actually do that. The challenge is that the noisemakers don't have enough to change their funds to property.

If you have the funds, do you really want an apartment in Alma? I would rather roll the dice on compounding of my investment and see where it lands me when the economy recovers than convert it to an apartment that I have to manage. Waste of time.

Separate the noise from the signal and you will see why the cytonnaires are not making noise.



I repeat ... Pain caused needs to be shared
Britam knew this hence the capitulation by Dande when he was near police custoday. The title deeds reappeared.

Collective Investment Schemes appoint custodians and licensed fund managers. If CMA or investors were inviting bids from competing fund managers to takeover the defaulting schemes, money would begin to reappear.

Finally, it is dishonest for Cytonn to fail in sale of built 'underlying assets' while foisting them on trapped 'noisemakers' at inflated prices - it reeks of Snake Oiler behaviour Shame on you

My 2 cents
#1280 Posted : Thursday, September 02, 2021 12:06:29 PM
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I understand the need for Cytonnaires to hang onto every thread of hope no matter how small. The realistic ones will chalk their investment to a very expensive life lesson and move on. Even Madoff had some'underlying assets'. The problem is that Cytonn's liabilities are MUCH LARGER than the so called underlying assets.
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