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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
sparkly
#1241 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 7:22:52 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
itz wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
This is confirmation that Ngunze was the wrong choice for KQ.
http://bit.ly/1KsdQ5i
A sales office in Tea Room, another at the Junction, talk of split personality, lakini nitakufa nayo, my average buy price is shocking.

Tema hio mate mbaya! Ngunze is a gift from God


It's the traders who requested.

Traders requested a ticketing office at Tea Room? Unless it is a cargo centre, they can't walk to Barclay's Plaza to buy a ticket? And how many traders are these to warrant an office?
Let us assume a basic office. Rent 20k, manager 100k, 3 x clerks 100k, cleaner 10k, utilities 20k, total 250k. The office needs to generate 250k per month to cover fixed costs. Kwani hawo watu wa Luthuli wanaleta nini?

Hapo Luthuli kuna pesa mingi.. Na Kamukunji, River Road. Most of the shops there make more money than ordinary office workers at banks, law firms etc.. The downtownians actually travel alot too, to Dubai, China etc


@obiero thanks for educating @gordon before he continued to sound ignorant on this matter.


JamboJet ticketing office. Shuttle to/from airport coming soon hahaha.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#1242 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:09:16 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,322
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
itz wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
This is confirmation that Ngunze was the wrong choice for KQ.
http://bit.ly/1KsdQ5i
A sales office in Tea Room, another at the Junction, talk of split personality, lakini nitakufa nayo, my average buy price is shocking.

Tema hio mate mbaya! Ngunze is a gift from God


It's the traders who requested.

Traders requested a ticketing office at Tea Room? Unless it is a cargo centre, they can't walk to Barclay's Plaza to buy a ticket? And how many traders are these to warrant an office?
Let us assume a basic office. Rent 20k, manager 100k, 3 x clerks 100k, cleaner 10k, utilities 20k, total 250k. The office needs to generate 250k per month to cover fixed costs. Kwani hawo watu wa Luthuli wanaleta nini?

Hapo Luthuli kuna pesa mingi.. Na Kamukunji, River Road. Most of the shops there make more money than ordinary office workers at banks, law firms etc.. The downtownians actually travel alot too, to Dubai, China etc


@obiero thanks for educating @gordon before he continued to sound ignorant on this matter.


JamboJet ticketing office. Shuttle to/from airport coming soon hahaha.

There has been a shuttle since Jambojet's inception
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
Gordon Gekko
#1243 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 9:20:41 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
My argument is pretty simple. KQ already has a clientele from Luthuli. Which extra customers will they win because of opening an office in Luthuli? If anything, new customers can be captured by simply reducing fares. I know Luthuli customers who use Ethiopian, Qatar, Etihad, Gulf Air, Emirates lately Rwandair simply on the basis of ticket price. This lot will not spend an extra $100 simply because they've been saved a walk to Barclay's Plaza. They are even ready to spend hours layovers at foreign airports to save this $100.
My aversion of Nguze is that he is a dye in the wool consultant, and I have nasty experiences with consultants who have moved to management. Consultants (PwC, Deloitte, Ernst etc) write great theoretical papers from their air conditioned offices but are an unmitigated disaster when given opportunity to implement their lofty ideas.
Case in point, you all remember that consultant from Coopers&Lybrand who was made MD of Unga to implement a white paper he had developed on turning around the miller. We know what happened to Unga. The same consultant went to head NBK, again we know what happened.
I say again, KQ needs a proven FMCG leader to run it, on the mould of Michael Joseph or Vimal Shah. They could even have taken the Marketing Director who joined them from Bidco.
KQ will do well, not on account of Nguze (or the Luthuli office) but on account of stars having lined themselves - lower fuel prices, efficient competitive fleet, low interest rates.
sparkly
#1244 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 11:20:05 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
itz wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
This is confirmation that Ngunze was the wrong choice for KQ.
http://bit.ly/1KsdQ5i
A sales office in Tea Room, another at the Junction, talk of split personality, lakini nitakufa nayo, my average buy price is shocking.

Tema hio mate mbaya! Ngunze is a gift from God


It's the traders who requested.

Traders requested a ticketing office at Tea Room? Unless it is a cargo centre, they can't walk to Barclay's Plaza to buy a ticket? And how many traders are these to warrant an office?
Let us assume a basic office. Rent 20k, manager 100k, 3 x clerks 100k, cleaner 10k, utilities 20k, total 250k. The office needs to generate 250k per month to cover fixed costs. Kwani hawo watu wa Luthuli wanaleta nini?

Hapo Luthuli kuna pesa mingi.. Na Kamukunji, River Road. Most of the shops there make more money than ordinary office workers at banks, law firms etc.. The downtownians actually travel alot too, to Dubai, China etc


@obiero thanks for educating @gordon before he continued to sound ignorant on this matter.


JamboJet ticketing office. Shuttle to/from airport coming soon hahaha.

There has been a shuttle since Jambojet's inception


Shuttle from Luthuli. KQ/ JamboJet has stooped as low as competing for passengers with Eldoret express and Modern Coast.
Life is short. Live passionately.
derick
#1245 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 11:45:33 PM
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Joined: 1/10/2015
Posts: 411
I think KQ are doing the right thing downtown is where the money is.
Your income is directly related to your philosophy, Not the economy.-Jim Rohn
VituVingiSana
#1246 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 2:00:29 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,380
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
itz wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
This is confirmation that Ngunze was the wrong choice for KQ.
http://bit.ly/1KsdQ5i
A sales office in Tea Room, another at the Junction, talk of split personality, lakini nitakufa nayo, my average buy price is shocking.

Tema hio mate mbaya! Ngunze is a gift from God


It's the traders who requested.

Traders requested a ticketing office at Tea Room? Unless it is a cargo centre, they can't walk to Barclay's Plaza to buy a ticket? And how many traders are these to warrant an office?
Let us assume a basic office. Rent 20k, manager 100k, 3 x clerks 100k, cleaner 10k, utilities 20k, total 250k. The office needs to generate 250k per month to cover fixed costs. Kwani hawo watu wa Luthuli wanaleta nini?

Hapo Luthuli kuna pesa mingi.. Na Kamukunji, River Road. Most of the shops there make more money than ordinary office workers at banks, law firms etc.. The downtownians actually travel alot too, to Dubai, China etc


@obiero thanks for educating @gordon before he continued to sound ignorant on this matter.


JamboJet ticketing office. Shuttle to/from airport coming soon hahaha.

There has been a shuttle since Jambojet's inception

Ahem. Where is the Jambojet shuttle in Nairobi? There's one in Mombasa & Eldoret. Not that I know of in Nairobi but please let me know.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1247 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 2:02:05 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,380
Location: Nairobi
Gordon Gekko wrote:
My argument is pretty simple. KQ already has a clientele from Luthuli. Which extra customers will they win because of opening an office in Luthuli? If anything, new customers can be captured by simply reducing fares. I know Luthuli customers who use Ethiopian, Qatar, Etihad, Gulf Air, Emirates lately Rwandair simply on the basis of ticket price. This lot will not spend an extra $100 simply because they've been saved a walk to Barclay's Plaza. They are even ready to spend hours layovers at foreign airports to save this $100.
My aversion of Nguze is that he is a dye in the wool consultant, and I have nasty experiences with consultants who have moved to management. Consultants (PwC, Deloitte, Ernst etc) write great theoretical papers from their air conditioned offices but are an unmitigated disaster when given opportunity to implement their lofty ideas.
Case in point, you all remember that consultant from Coopers&Lybrand who was made MD of Unga to implement a white paper he had developed on turning around the miller. We know what happened to Unga. The same consultant went to head NBK, again we know what happened.
I say again, KQ needs a proven FMCG leader to run it, on the mould of Michael Joseph or Vimal Shah. They could even have taken the Marketing Director who joined them from Bidco.
KQ will do well, not on account of Nguze (or the Luthuli office) but on account of stars having lined themselves - lower fuel prices, efficient competitive fleet, low interest rates.

@GG - True but there is a market for KQ in these areas. The office is not that pricey when one looks at KQ's other expenses. If the office can build a rapport with the traders and figure out what else they want except low fares then it is a huge Research tool for KQ.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1248 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 7:03:54 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,322
Location: nairobi
i know some branches for big banks in areas such as Mogotio, Sori and Serem. such offices are not meant to generate profit, so calculation office space plus tea girl costs is an effort in futility. these are merely a service centres to ensure convenience of existing clientele. actually, the Barclays Plaza one should be closed down since most of the clientele there are online enabled
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
obiero
#1249 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 10:02:26 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,322
Location: nairobi
Gathige
#1250 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 8:51:54 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
Gordon Gekko wrote:
My argument is pretty simple. KQ already has a clientele from Luthuli. Which extra customers will they win because of opening an office in Luthuli? If anything, new customers can be captured by simply reducing fares. I know Luthuli customers who use Ethiopian, Qatar, Etihad, Gulf Air, Emirates lately Rwandair simply on the basis of ticket price. This lot will not spend an extra $100 simply because they've been saved a walk to Barclay's Plaza. They are even ready to spend hours layovers at foreign airports to save this $100.
My aversion of Nguze is that he is a dye in the wool consultant, and I have nasty experiences with consultants who have moved to management. Consultants (PwC, Deloitte, Ernst etc) write great theoretical papers from their air conditioned offices but are an unmitigated disaster when given opportunity to implement their lofty ideas.
Case in point, you all remember that consultant from Coopers&Lybrand who was made MD of Unga to implement a white paper he had developed on turning around the miller. We know what happened to Unga. The same consultant went to head NBK, again we know what happened.
I say again, KQ needs a proven FMCG leader to run it, on the mould of Michael Joseph or Vimal Shah. They could even have taken the Marketing Director who joined them from Bidco.
KQ will do well, not on account of Nguze (or the Luthuli office) but on account of stars having lined themselves - lower fuel prices, efficient competitive fleet, low interest rates.



They have just lost a good customer" a friend of mine" who lost all her christmas shopping on a connecting flight from Paris to Nbi.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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