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Cytonn Investments
Rollout
#1231 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2021 4:57:36 AM
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Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
sparkly wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Here is why Cytonn is likely to be a fraud/scam/bad business/ misleading investors/ Ponzi scheme.

The total money currently owed or where clients have complained on non payment is really not that much, from public info the list is: sh. 122 million, sh. 46.8 million, sh. 14.2 million and sh. 3 million. for a total of sh. 186 million.

1) As successful as Cytonn has been you want to tell me cytonn general partners cannot come up with sh. 186 million out of the share of their profits to loan cytonn inc.?

2) Edwin can't come up with sh. 186 million to pay-off these few annoying clients, he doesn't need these kinds, pay them off and free yourself from unnecessary destruction.

3)Cytonn do not have a line of credit in excess of sh. 186 million even with the assets it has?

Cytonn is choosing to fight with his clients in public for sh. 186 million? This doesn't make sense at all.


Explanation is very simple. They are trying to avoid a run in the on investments.


No, Cytonn can't secure lines of credits and can't get private equity funding because their main creditor/ lender/financier is suing Cytonn for non payment for ksh. 5 billion. Cytonn is broke!!!! It is official.
paulkimani
#1232 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2021 10:23:59 AM
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Joined: 1/19/2016
Posts: 204
The security was already at an inflated price. They secured Amara ridge (which they kept advertising as being in Karen, but is in fact outside Karen - also those houses have not all been sold. It was also a JV so the owner of the land kept 2 houses, and so the security is basically 8 houses and not even the land for some inflated price).

All other assets were also secured to Taaleri at inflated prices simply because the Cytonn 4 took the Finish guy from Taaleri round in circles convincing him the land they had was “prime land”…. Not all foreigners are smart Shame on you or maybe he went rogue to get a piece of the pie - I don’t know, that part is speculation.

In the end Taaleri loaned cytonn billions, while securing assets which are perhaps only worth (at maximum, and in the generous side) a couple hundred million.

The rest of that money loaned? In the pockets. It won’t be seen again.


Rollout wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/amp/business/article/2001417791/cytonns-creditors-come-calling-over-sh-57b-debt


https://youtu.be/ueYcz6pQ7rM - this man from Taaleri (who loaned Cytonn money) is the same man who beat his pregnant girlfriend - a lady who was training to become a lawyer when she got pregnant. She is a kick ass lawyer now and kicked his pathetic beating a** to the curb.

But he was not smart enough to see the Cytonn red flags and cost Taaleri billions.

I’d say I told you so, but well - speaks for itself.


Now it make sense. Cytonn can't borrow from anyone because all the assets has already been used to secure other debt. It now make complete sense to me!!!!!!!

maka
#1233 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2021 6:14:50 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
paulkimani wrote:
The security was already at an inflated price. They secured Amara ridge (which they kept advertising as being in Karen, but is in fact outside Karen - also those houses have not all been sold. It was also a JV so the owner of the land kept 2 houses, and so the security is basically 8 houses and not even the land for some inflated price).

All other assets were also secured to Taaleri at inflated prices simply because the Cytonn 4 took the Finish guy from Taaleri round in circles convincing him the land they had was “prime land”…. Not all foreigners are smart Shame on you or maybe he went rogue to get a piece of the pie - I don’t know, that part is speculation.

In the end Taaleri loaned cytonn billions, while securing assets which are perhaps only worth (at maximum, and in the generous side) a couple hundred million.

The rest of that money loaned? In the pockets. It won’t be seen again.


Rollout wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/amp/business/article/2001417791/cytonns-creditors-come-calling-over-sh-57b-debt


https://youtu.be/ueYcz6pQ7rM - this man from Taaleri (who loaned Cytonn money) is the same man who beat his pregnant girlfriend - a lady who was training to become a lawyer when she got pregnant. She is a kick ass lawyer now and kicked his pathetic beating a** to the curb.

But he was not smart enough to see the Cytonn red flags and cost Taaleri billions.

I’d say I told you so, but well - speaks for itself.


Now it make sense. Cytonn can't borrow from anyone because all the assets has already been used to secure other debt. It now make complete sense to me!!!!!!!



Some crazy shit....
possunt quia posse videntur
sparkly
#1234 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2021 12:20:17 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
paulkimani wrote:
The security was already at an inflated price. They secured Amara ridge (which they kept advertising as being in Karen, but is in fact outside Karen - also those houses have not all been sold. It was also a JV so the owner of the land kept 2 houses, and so the security is basically 8 houses and not even the land for some inflated price).

All other assets were also secured to Taaleri at inflated prices simply because the Cytonn 4 took the Finish guy from Taaleri round in circles convincing him the land they had was “prime land”…. Not all foreigners are smart Shame on you or maybe he went rogue to get a piece of the pie - I don’t know, that part is speculation.

In the end Taaleri loaned cytonn billions, while securing assets which are perhaps only worth (at maximum, and in the generous side) a couple hundred million.

The rest of that money loaned? In the pockets. It won’t be seen again.


Rollout wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/amp/business/article/2001417791/cytonns-creditors-come-calling-over-sh-57b-debt


https://youtu.be/ueYcz6pQ7rM - this man from Taaleri (who loaned Cytonn money) is the same man who beat his pregnant girlfriend - a lady who was training to become a lawyer when she got pregnant. She is a kick ass lawyer now and kicked his pathetic beating a** to the curb.

But he was not smart enough to see the Cytonn red flags and cost Taaleri billions.

I’d say I told you so, but well - speaks for itself.


Now it make sense. Cytonn can't borrow from anyone because all the assets has already been used to secure other debt. It now make complete sense to me!!!!!!!



@PaulKimani is better at analysing investments than Taaleri!

You sounded informed and intelligent until you made an outrageous claim that Taaleri is dumb money and were duped by Cytonn to part with their billions.
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Rollout
#1235 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2021 3:38:19 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
sparkly wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
The security was already at an inflated price. They secured Amara ridge (which they kept advertising as being in Karen, but is in fact outside Karen - also those houses have not all been sold. It was also a JV so the owner of the land kept 2 houses, and so the security is basically 8 houses and not even the land for some inflated price).

All other assets were also secured to Taaleri at inflated prices simply because the Cytonn 4 took the Finish guy from Taaleri round in circles convincing him the land they had was “prime land”…. Not all foreigners are smart Shame on you or maybe he went rogue to get a piece of the pie - I don’t know, that part is speculation.

In the end Taaleri loaned cytonn billions, while securing assets which are perhaps only worth (at maximum, and in the generous side) a couple hundred million.

The rest of that money loaned? In the pockets. It won’t be seen again.


Rollout wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/amp/business/article/2001417791/cytonns-creditors-come-calling-over-sh-57b-debt


https://youtu.be/ueYcz6pQ7rM - this man from Taaleri (who loaned Cytonn money) is the same man who beat his pregnant girlfriend - a lady who was training to become a lawyer when she got pregnant. She is a kick ass lawyer now and kicked his pathetic beating a** to the curb.

But he was not smart enough to see the Cytonn red flags and cost Taaleri billions.

I’d say I told you so, but well - speaks for itself.


Now it make sense. Cytonn can't borrow from anyone because all the assets has already been used to secure other debt. It now make complete sense to me!!!!!!!



@PaulKimani is better at analysing investments than Taaleri!

You sounded informed and intelligent until you made an outrageous claim that Taaleri is dumb money and were duped by Cytonn to part with their billions.


90% of venture capital/Private Equity money is dumb money, the professionals in the industry know that; investment decision is based on: 1) Management vision 2)Management profiles 3)Management assumptions 4)Management forecast of the future 5) Emotional connections. There is no science to it, it is not like Hedge Fund where you use sophisticated scientific models to predict future performance.

paulkimani
#1236 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2021 4:58:14 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 1/19/2016
Posts: 204
sparkly wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
The security was already at an inflated price. They secured Amara ridge (which they kept advertising as being in Karen, but is in fact outside Karen - also those houses have not all been sold. It was also a JV so the owner of the land kept 2 houses, and so the security is basically 8 houses and not even the land for some inflated price).

All other assets were also secured to Taaleri at inflated prices simply because the Cytonn 4 took the Finish guy from Taaleri round in circles convincing him the land they had was “prime land”…. Not all foreigners are smart Shame on you or maybe he went rogue to get a piece of the pie - I don’t know, that part is speculation.

In the end Taaleri loaned cytonn billions, while securing assets which are perhaps only worth (at maximum, and in the generous side) a couple hundred million.

The rest of that money loaned? In the pockets. It won’t be seen again.


Rollout wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/amp/business/article/2001417791/cytonns-creditors-come-calling-over-sh-57b-debt


https://youtu.be/ueYcz6pQ7rM - this man from Taaleri (who loaned Cytonn money) is the same man who beat his pregnant girlfriend - a lady who was training to become a lawyer when she got pregnant. She is a kick ass lawyer now and kicked his pathetic beating a** to the curb.

But he was not smart enough to see the Cytonn red flags and cost Taaleri billions.

I’d say I told you so, but well - speaks for itself.


Now it make sense. Cytonn can't borrow from anyone because all the assets has already been used to secure other debt. It now make complete sense to me!!!!!!!



@PaulKimani is better at analysing investments than Taaleri!

You sounded informed and intelligent until you made an outrageous claim that Taaleri is dumb money and were duped by Cytonn to part with their billions.


I’m sure Taaleri are kicking themselves for not reading my Wazua posts half a decade ago.. it would have saved them just a few billions Laughing out loudly
Receptor
#1237 Posted : Tuesday, July 13, 2021 4:44:10 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/1/2019
Posts: 119
Rollout wrote:
Here is why Cytonn is likely to be a fraud/scam/bad business/ misleading investors/ Ponzi scheme.

The total money currently owed or where clients have complained on non payment is really not that much, from public info the list is: sh. 122 million, sh. 46.8 million, sh. 14.2 million and sh. 3 million. for a total of sh. 186 million.

1) As successful as Cytonn has been you want to tell me cytonn general partners cannot come up with sh. 186 million out of the share of their profits to loan cytonn inc.?

2) Edwin can't come up with sh. 186 million to pay-off these few annoying clients, he doesn't need these kinds, pay them off and free yourself from unnecessary destruction.

3)Cytonn do not have a line of credit in excess of sh. 186 million even with the assets it has?

Cytonn is choosing to fight with his clients in public for sh. 186 million? This doesn't make sense at all.



This is the best opinion i have ever read about this Cytonn saga in all media.
Angelica _ann
#1238 Posted : Monday, August 02, 2021 9:28:16 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
Judge declines to hear default suit against Cytonn.

https://www.businessdail...-against-cytonn-3494820

Arbitration clause... read the fine prints in agreements.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Xymalos
#1239 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2021 5:45:07 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 2/14/2015
Posts: 98
Location: Kenya
tony stark
#1240 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2021 11:29:12 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 7/8/2008
Posts: 947
Waaahhh!!!
So now what will PK accuse the judges of??
Anyway we are in this together mpaka coronoa iishe!! So PK and Britam and cytonn investors enjoy the ride .....Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Angelica _ann wrote:
Judge declines to hear default suit against Cytonn.

https://www.businessdail...-against-cytonn-3494820

Arbitration clause... read the fine prints in agreements.


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