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jerry
#2441 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:39:14 AM
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Joined: 9/29/2006
Posts: 2,570
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Average down!!!!!!.......average down guys to hedge against psychological loss on paper money......


If you find yourself in a hole do you-
1. Dig faster; or
2. Stop digging?

Tafakari

It depends on the reason for being in the hole. If its in search for water or gold, u must continue digging with eternal hope! but if u arent sure why u are in the hole, its best to stop digging immediately. averaging down is a strategy I have used in select cases to my benefit but on KQ I have been hesitant to increase personal exposure since the turnaround is promised, but out of sight.. 18months is a fairly long time to wait for a rebound on a firm which has had failing indicators for the last 3 years..

Watermelon. Flip-flop.
Mara it will make us millionaires and you want to be thanked later.
Every 6 months, you say the next 6 months will see a turnaround.
Now you are hesitant to buy more shares. And think the turnaround will take 18 months.

I think there is always an un-written disclaimer to all advice in Wazua: "It's not Gospel truth"
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
Boris Boyka
#2442 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:00:37 AM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
Location: Here
jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Average down!!!!!!.......average down guys to hedge against psychological loss on paper money......


If you find yourself in a hole do you-
1. Dig faster; or
2. Stop digging?

Tafakari

It depends on the reason for being in the hole. If its in search for water or gold, u must continue digging with eternal hope! but if u arent sure why u are in the hole, its best to stop digging immediately. averaging down is a strategy I have used in select cases to my benefit but on KQ I have been hesitant to increase personal exposure since the turnaround is promised, but out of sight.. 18months is a fairly long time to wait for a rebound on a firm which has had failing indicators for the last 3 years..

Watermelon. Flip-flop.
Mara it will make us millionaires and you want to be thanked later.
Every 6 months, you say the next 6 months will see a turnaround.
Now you are hesitant to buy more shares. And think the turnaround will take 18 months.

I think there is always an un-written disclaimer to all advice in Wazua: "It's not Gospel truth"

Only a fool doesn't change his mind! I give credit to @Obiero for after being pro KQ for a long period he has realized it isn't going to live to expectations in near future thus the back down.It ain't watermelon as such.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
obiero
#2443 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:18:41 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,782
Location: nairobi
Boris Boyka wrote:
jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Average down!!!!!!.......average down guys to hedge against psychological loss on paper money......


If you find yourself in a hole do you-
1. Dig faster; or
2. Stop digging?

Tafakari

It depends on the reason for being in the hole. If its in search for water or gold, u must continue digging with eternal hope! but if u arent sure why u are in the hole, its best to stop digging immediately. averaging down is a strategy I have used in select cases to my benefit but on KQ I have been hesitant to increase personal exposure since the turnaround is promised, but out of sight.. 18months is a fairly long time to wait for a rebound on a firm which has had failing indicators for the last 3 years..

Watermelon. Flip-flop.
Mara it will make us millionaires and you want to be thanked later.
Every 6 months, you say the next 6 months will see a turnaround.
Now you are hesitant to buy more shares. And think the turnaround will take 18 months.

I think there is always an un-written disclaimer to all advice in Wazua: "It's not Gospel truth"

Only a fool doesn't change his mind! I give credit to @Obiero for after being pro KQ for a long period he has realized it isn't going to live to expectations in near future thus the back down.It ain't watermelon as such.

@vvs lost a lot of money in KQ and thus he must be treated in a special manner when discussing this firm. Point here is that I am still in KQ but will not average down, atleast not until release of H1 in a few days time. As for the turnaround, the CEO himself told me it will not take less than 18months, so why should I hold onto my target for 6months. Only a fool doesnt change his mind and the road to riches is a personal one. Tafakari hayo

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#2444 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:52:47 AM
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Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
After 18months will it spike to all time rally as high as plus 50 bob if it makes kes25bn profit prompting a material announcement!!!!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#2445 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:15:57 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,782
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
After 18months will it spike to all time rally as high as plus 50 bob if it makes kes25bn profit prompting a material announcement!!!!

Profits (EBT) (KSh m) From 2003 to 2015 ascending:
547
2,075
5,520
6,960
5,975
6,526
−5,664
2,671
5,002
2,146
−10,826
−4,861
-29,710
@spikes unanchekesha. KQ has never made a profit exceeding KES 6.9B.. It is unlikely that they will get 25B in 18months seeing as there is determined reduction in total fleet size as part of cost cutting measures

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Boris Boyka
#2446 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:27:22 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
Location: Here
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
After 18months will it spike to all time rally as high as plus 50 bob if it makes kes25bn profit prompting a material announcement!!!!

Profits (EBT) (KSh m) From 2003 to 2015 ascending:
547
2,075
5,520
6,960
5,975
6,526
−5,664
2,671
5,002
2,146
−10,826
−4,861
-29,710
@spikes unanchekesha. KQ has never made a profit exceeding KES 6.9B.. It is unlikely that they will get 25B in 18months seeing as there is determined reduction in total fleet size as part of cost cutting measures

@Obiero as you have to really be patient to teach these inoccent "kids" @aljazeera @Spikes. Very innocent child like questions With willingness to learn maybe.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Spikes
#2447 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:55:40 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
I like that.....Wazuans the Kingdom of NSE market is entered like a small child.....
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#2448 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:00:16 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
You haffi to be a whiz kid by asking a thread of questions. But guys I like the way you break it down for us full of indepth analysis.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
VituVingiSana
#2449 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 6:14:37 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,223
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Average down!!!!!!.......average down guys to hedge against psychological loss on paper money......


If you find yourself in a hole do you-
1. Dig faster; or
2. Stop digging?

Tafakari

It depends on the reason for being in the hole. If its in search for water or gold, u must continue digging with eternal hope! but if u arent sure why u are in the hole, its best to stop digging immediately. averaging down is a strategy I have used in select cases to my benefit but on KQ I have been hesitant to increase personal exposure since the turnaround is promised, but out of sight.. 18months is a fairly long time to wait for a rebound on a firm which has had failing indicators for the last 3 years..

Watermelon. Flip-flop.
Mara it will make us millionaires and you want to be thanked later.
Every 6 months, you say the next 6 months will see a turnaround.
Now you are hesitant to buy more shares. And think the turnaround will take 18 months.

I think there is always an un-written disclaimer to all advice in Wazua: "It's not Gospel truth"

Only a fool doesn't change his mind! I give credit to @Obiero for after being pro KQ for a long period he has realized it isn't going to live to expectations in near future thus the back down.It ain't watermelon as such.

@vvs lost a lot of money in KQ and thus he must be treated in a special manner when discussing this firm. Point here is that I am still in KQ but will not average down, atleast not until release of H1 in a few days time. As for the turnaround, the CEO himself told me it will not take less than 18months, so why should I hold onto my target for 6months. Only a fool doesnt change his mind and the road to riches is a personal one. Tafakari hayo

I changed my mind on KQ long time ago during the Rights Issue when the Management & Board stayed clear of buying shares in KQ. I was like you. I refused to listen to the likes of @Horton @Njunge among others even when they presented data & logic. MY EXPENSIVE MISTAKE.
As a public service, I tried and tried and tried to change your mind. Has there been anyone who has spent so much time/effort trying to make you learn/understand from my experiences?
In a Bull Market, we become know-it-alls. I know. I was one. In a Bear Market we learn the realities of the Random Walk. I know. I paid the price.

If you have truly changed your mind then my work here is done.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#2450 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:55:45 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,782
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Average down!!!!!!.......average down guys to hedge against psychological loss on paper money......


If you find yourself in a hole do you-
1. Dig faster; or
2. Stop digging?

Tafakari

It depends on the reason for being in the hole. If its in search for water or gold, u must continue digging with eternal hope! but if u arent sure why u are in the hole, its best to stop digging immediately. averaging down is a strategy I have used in select cases to my benefit but on KQ I have been hesitant to increase personal exposure since the turnaround is promised, but out of sight.. 18months is a fairly long time to wait for a rebound on a firm which has had failing indicators for the last 3 years..

Watermelon. Flip-flop.
Mara it will make us millionaires and you want to be thanked later.
Every 6 months, you say the next 6 months will see a turnaround.
Now you are hesitant to buy more shares. And think the turnaround will take 18 months.

I think there is always an un-written disclaimer to all advice in Wazua: "It's not Gospel truth"

Only a fool doesn't change his mind! I give credit to @Obiero for after being pro KQ for a long period he has realized it isn't going to live to expectations in near future thus the back down.It ain't watermelon as such.

@vvs lost a lot of money in KQ and thus he must be treated in a special manner when discussing this firm. Point here is that I am still in KQ but will not average down, atleast not until release of H1 in a few days time. As for the turnaround, the CEO himself told me it will not take less than 18months, so why should I hold onto my target for 6months. Only a fool doesnt change his mind and the road to riches is a personal one. Tafakari hayo

I changed my mind on KQ long time ago during the Rights Issue when the Management & Board stayed clear of buying shares in KQ. I was like you. I refused to listen to the likes of @Horton @Njunge among others even when they presented data & logic. MY EXPENSIVE MISTAKE.
As a public service, I tried and tried and tried to change your mind. Has there been anyone who has spent so much time/effort trying to make you learn/understand from my experiences?
In a Bull Market, we become know-it-alls. I know. I was one. In a Bear Market we learn the realities of the Random Walk. I know. I paid the price.

If you have truly changed your mind then my work here is done.

Thanks bro

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#2451 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:17:18 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,223
Location: Nairobi
Open Skies. Coming soon. I hope.

http://www.businessdaily.../-/b0ji4vz/-/index.html

It's ridiculous how much we pay to Entebbe. We need open skies to encourage more movement of people within EAC.

And Emirates has added seats to Nairobi. Flying only 777s on this route while KQ sold/leased their 777s.

"The Dubai-Nairobi route is doing very well for us and we believe the extra capacity meets a growing demand for our services to and from Kenya."

http://www.businessdaily.../-/e7rx73z/-/index.html

Compare KQ vs Emirates

Is the current turmoil in the global currency markets a deep concern to Emirates?

"As a global business, we are not immune to currency fluctuations. In our last fiscal year, our bottom line was impacted by currency fluctuations which limited the profitability boost from lower oil prices. However, we still managed to post our best financial results to date, which is testimony to the strength of our brands and business fundamentals, as well as the dedication of our workforce."
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#2452 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:32:43 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,782
Location: nairobi
On November 12 at the KQ pride centre expect an announcement of KES 7.4B loss before tax.. Anything higher and doomsday would have reached. Anything lower and the anticipated turnaround would be in live effect

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#2453 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:54:22 AM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
Anything higher in losses ie more than kes7bn in this bear expect a loose drop to 2 bob !!!! of course that is a pure buy. Average down .....average down folks.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
selah
#2454 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:59:10 AM
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Joined: 10/13/2009
Posts: 1,950
Location: in kenya
I dont think KQ has been able to get buyers for the five 767s that were supposed to have been sold to pave way for the Dreamliners....As Nguze had said in the AGM KQ is making money but I believe project "mawingu" was executed very poorly and the fleet renewal program has been very costly for the company.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
obiero
#2455 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:17:46 PM
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selah wrote:
I dont think KQ has been able to get buyers for the five 767s that were supposed to have been sold to pave way for the Dreamliners....As Nguze had said in the AGM KQ is making money but I believe project "mawingu" was executed very poorly and the fleet renewal program has been very costly for the company.

KQ has no 767s in its fleet.. https://www.kenya-airway...e_We_Fly/Fleet/KQ_Fleet/

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#2456 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:36:06 PM
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obiero wrote:
[quote=selah]I dont think KQ has been able to get buyers for the five 767s that were supposed to have been sold to pave way for the Dreamliners....As Nguze had said in the AGM KQ is making money but I believe project "mawingu" was executed very poorly and the fleet renewal program has been very costly for the company.

KQ has no 767s in its fleet.. https://www.kenya-airway..._We_Fly/Fleet/KQ_Fleet/[/quote] It has 777s & that may be the reason for the confusion.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
selah
#2457 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:57:30 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=selah]I dont think KQ has been able to get buyers for the five 767s that were supposed to have been sold to pave way for the Dreamliners....As Nguze had said in the AGM KQ is making money but I believe project "mawingu" was executed very poorly and the fleet renewal program has been very costly for the company.

KQ has no 767s in its fleet.. https://www.kenya-airway..._We_Fly/Fleet/KQ_Fleet/[/quote] It has 777s & that may be the reason for the confusion.



KQ has 767s in their books check pg38 of KQ 2015 ANNUAL REPORT.

Naikuni had said the 767s would pave way for the Dreamliners "The B787-8 aircraft will replace the
B767-300s on a one for one basis." Check pg 36 Kq 2014 ANNUAL REPORT

'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
obiero
#2458 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:05:57 PM
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selah wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=selah]I dont think KQ has been able to get buyers for the five 767s that were supposed to have been sold to pave way for the Dreamliners....As Nguze had said in the AGM KQ is making money but I believe project "mawingu" was executed very poorly and the fleet renewal program has been very costly for the company.

KQ has no 767s in its fleet.. https://www.kenya-airway..._We_Fly/Fleet/KQ_Fleet/[/quote] It has 777s & that may be the reason for the confusion.



KQ has 767s in their books check pg38 of KQ 2015 ANNUAL REPORT.

Naikuni had said the 767s would pave way for the Dreamliners "The B787-8 aircraft will replace the
B767-300s on a one for one basis." Check pg 36 Kq 2014 ANNUAL REPORT


@selah the planes were sold between july and sept 2015 hence must have appeared on the annual report since it was published prior to the fact. In Mbuvi's own words on 09.10.2015 ''KQ has sold all older Boeing 767 and 737, aircraft, but deals to sell the 777-200 fell through twice, and we have since hired an agency to complete this''

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Aguytrying
#2459 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:09:56 PM
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Spikes wrote:
Anything higher in losses ie more than kes7bn in this bear expect a loose drop to 2 bob !!!! of course that is a pure buy. Average down .....average down folks.


If i extrapolate your logic, Are home afrika and mumias a buy because they are below 2 bob? Approach stocks slowly and avoid monkeys like KQ, HAFR and you will survive
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
newbie15
#2460 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:40:20 PM
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Joined: 10/21/2015
Posts: 11
i am new to stocks. a university student. i made an impromptu approach to stocks and purchased kq shares at 6.01. am watching my investment lead to huge losses. Someone kindly advice me. Should i sell them at the moment? if yes, which one should i buy with the little cash i get from the sale? Else, should i trust it on KQ?
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