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US Elections, Hillary or Trump?
harrydre
#1191 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:27:41 PM
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No fly zone at Trump towers!

@hardwood, will your guy sue the govt for loss of business?
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harrydre
#1192 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:30:16 PM
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masukuma wrote:

This is definitely not the time to discus this. especially not with a republican house. But Even Trump himself had issues with the same system

So the country elected Trump but the system elected Trump.


Huko hakuna referendum? You see democrats have lost two presidencies just like that.
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harrydre
#1193 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:14:53 PM
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masukuma
#1194 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:17:20 PM
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harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:

This is definitely not the time to discus this. especially not with a republican house. But Even Trump himself had issues with the same system

So the country elected Trump but the system elected Trump.


Huko hakuna referendum? You see democrats have lost two presidencies just like that.

2/3 congress has to vote. Congress is republican.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
harrydre
#1195 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:36:07 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:

Final Numbers.
#ElectionDay

231,556,622 eligible voters

46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump

Almost 50% of eligible voters not voting is very deep electoral apathy.
It also means DT as electoral winner doesn't enjoy wide national mandate/ public confidence, has to work even harder to push policies thru a very skeptical public. And keeping him safe will be an onerous task - Secret Service will be very very busy next 4 years protecting him.

Our 2013 elections turnout was 86%, highest in Kenya's history, meaning 14% or 2.1m pple (sometimes I think they are the clever ones) just didn't give a shiet who we chose as prezo, and while we queued in the cold and blistering sun they were just yawning at home and imbibing beer as the rest determined their fate - or did they by not voting determine our fate?

Means our apathy has been high >15% over the years - why?



shida yao pia ni Election system yao iko 18th century. The voter's registry, the registration of electors, removal of deceased ziko down.



HOW?? in a country with 324,707,000 population?

Hiyo data iko na shida!
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hardwood
#1196 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2016 12:27:24 AM
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Nice meeting. They pledged to work together.


enyands
#1197 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2016 4:54:41 AM
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masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:

This is definitely not the time to discus this. especially not with a republican house. But Even Trump himself had issues with the same system

So the country elected Trump but the system elected Trump.


Huko hakuna referendum? You see democrats have lost two presidencies just like that.

2/3 congress has to vote. Congress is republican.


How easy will it be to repeal obamacre?
quicksand
#1198 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2016 7:29:18 AM
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enyands wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:

This is definitely not the time to discus this. especially not with a republican house. But Even Trump himself had issues with the same system

So the country elected Trump but the system elected Trump.


Huko hakuna referendum? You see democrats have lost two presidencies just like that.

2/3 congress has to vote. Congress is republican.


How easy will it be to repeal obamacre?



He could try, with the majorities in the houses. However, he would make bitter, lasting enemies of the twenty-something million Americans covered by the scheme; The move would also deeply annoy Democrats, who are now revving their engines to frustrate future Republican efforts to create legislation to back Trump's policies. More fuel to the fire.
Closer home, local politicians used Raila's efforts to relocate people from Mau forest to devastating effect.
IMHO, there is no such thing as "outsiders" in politics. Not for long anyway. As long as America is not a straight-up dictatorship and everything has to pushed through 2 houses, Trump is about to get served with filibustering and sabotage of the century ...he will realize that executive decisions a'la "The Apprentice" have no purchase and to get anything done he will have to get his hands dirty glad-handing, diplomacy and smoothing ruffled feathers. And that is local American politics. Akina ISIS, China, Syria, Russia, NATO, EU, Britain, North Korea, Japan and Israel are all concocting curve balls as we speak.
Newt Gingrich as Secretary of State? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Get popcorn.
Trump is going to have to become a Washington insider in very short order.
What a time to be alive!
washiku
#1199 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2016 9:25:44 AM
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Anti_Burglar
#1200 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2016 9:31:12 AM
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quicksand wrote:
enyands wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:

This is definitely not the time to discus this. especially not with a republican house. But Even Trump himself had issues with the same system

So the country elected Trump but the system elected Trump.


Huko hakuna referendum? You see democrats have lost two presidencies just like that.

2/3 congress has to vote. Congress is republican.


How easy will it be to repeal obamacre?



He could try, with the majorities in the houses. However, he would make bitter, lasting enemies of the twenty-something million Americans covered by the scheme; The move would also deeply annoy Democrats, who are now revving their engines to frustrate future Republican efforts to create legislation to back Trump's policies. More fuel to the fire.
Closer home, local politicians used Raila's efforts to relocate people from Mau forest to devastating effect.
IMHO, there is no such thing as "outsiders" in politics. Not for long anyway. As long as America is not a straight-up dictatorship and everything has to pushed through 2 houses, Trump is about to get served with filibustering and sabotage of the century ...he will realize that executive decisions a'la "The Apprentice" have no purchase and to get anything done he will have to get his hands dirty glad-handing, diplomacy and smoothing ruffled feathers. And that is local American politics. Akina ISIS, China, Syria, Russia, NATO, EU, Britain, North Korea, Japan and Israel are all concocting curve balls as we speak.
Newt Gingrich as Secretary of State? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Get popcorn.
Trump is going to have to become a Washington insider in very short order.
What a time to be alive!


You are realistic and level headed. I too do not expect a too radical shift from the way things have been, the way they are and the way they will be. But of course it will be naive to expect there will be absolutely no differences in the way things are run at leas for the next 4 years.

But whatever internal politics - obamacare and whatnot - that goes on over there for us it will be like a rocking chair. It will give us something to do but not get us anywhere. Its the foreign policy that should interest us because that is what will affect us.
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