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Nigeria's missing girls - #BringBackOurGirls
guru267
#111 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:10:11 PM
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urstill1 wrote:
My perception. Converts are more radical than those born in the religion.


There is a perfect reason we are perceived in that way!

The converts have made a conscious rational decision to follow a certain religion while people born into one are just mechanical puppets following what their parents followed!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
AlphDoti
#112 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:51:46 PM
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guru267 wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
My perception. Converts are more radical than those born in the religion.

There is a perfect reason we are perceived in that way!

The converts have made a conscious rational decision to follow a certain religion while people born into one are just mechanical puppets following what their parents followed!

For those who always misunderstand me, my answer below does not mean it is a support of girls abduction in Nigeria Shame on you
My answer is to only answer the question saying "Converts are more radical than those born in the religion", which is a deviation/digression from the topic.

So @urstill1, it is true that it is a perception. And your perception is wrong.

You see according to you, the person who says there is one God, who prays 5 times a day, fasts for a month every year, pays zakat to the poor, says no alcohol, says no fornication, says marriage is good, does not cheat, does not lie, and says we want our women to be given the liberty to wear Islamic hijab (just like some people have freedom to dress in miniskirts or wear no pant), the people who comes out and say those killing innocent people are not following Islamic teachings... According to you, this person symbolizes radical militancy.

For your information, this is not it.
These people are simply their assertion that they want to follow the teachings of their religion.

You see the proper Islamic manner is we follow the behaviour of the prophet (s.a.w) in all cases. Allah says in Quran 33:21:
"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example to follow for whoever hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much."

So I say to you @urstill1 search in google "Muhammad ibn abdullah" and see if you can find a human whose life has been more documented in detailed than his. You will not find.

Then compare his life with 100 human beings in history that you can find from a search. And categorically, you can find without any doubt, irrefutable evidence that his behavior is the most profound; comprehensively, categorically as an example for anyone who wants to look into as a husband, as a leader, as a brother, as a merchant. In every capacity, his life is there.

And so if we look at the prophet in times of war, times of opression, times of starvation, times of whatever leadership, legendary, adjudication, in every condition, see how he acted! And you will find our example is there. No other example. The human example of the prophet as a messenger and as a prophet.

And that is our example, that is the behaviour that we Muslims subscribe to. And only behaviour. And that itself is the demonstration of the Quran. If you want to know how do we enact the Quran, look at the life of Muhammad (s.a.w).

The idea that one has to meet or adapt to the ever changing modern standards of lifestyle is not acceptable for the person who knows his religion.
The definition of cuclture is ever-changing; gaism is good, marriage is bad, slender figure is good, tomorrow slender figure is bad. We are saying women are not going to achieve equality by putting their bodies on display on billboards. True equality will achieved only when women don’t need to display themselves to get attention and won’t need to defend their decision to keep their bodies to themselves.
guru267
#113 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:58:36 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Immediately after her death, the man unbottled his suppressed frustrations, sexual tensions and all that and erupted in unbridled misogyny as I had illustrated elsewhere. His followers to this day bow in subservience to his precedent as others take glee in furthering them.


#YouStopWeStop

2 Samuel 11: 1-17 David, one of Yahweh's most beloved messenger, after spying on a naked married woman bathing ordered his guards to bring her to him and he committed adultery with her. After she conceived a child by him he then ordered for the murder of her husband!

Manze... Some of these messengers in the Bible are making Muhammad (saw) look like a real angel! smile
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
washiku
#114 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 10:10:58 PM
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The mere thought of what these girls are going through wherever they are, bare minimum being the trauma, makes one shed a tear. Even Al-Qaeda are shocked,yet they are known of all inhumane things. It's like the devil himself telling you that what you are doing is too much. Sad

http://www.irishtimes.co...da-can-condone-1.1788574
Muriel
#115 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2014 8:14:59 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Immediately after her death, the man unbottled his suppressed frustrations, sexual tensions and all that and erupted in unbridled misogyny as I had illustrated elsewhere. His followers to this day bow in subservience to his precedent as others take glee in furthering them.


#YouStopWeStop

2 Samuel 11: 1-17 David, one of Yahweh's most beloved messenger, after spying on a naked married woman bathing ordered his guards to bring her to him and he committed adultery with her. After she conceived a child by him he then ordered for the murder of her husband!

Manze... Some of these messengers in the Bible are making Muhammad (saw) look like a real angel! smile


What a weak 'punch'!

C'mon! Can't you hit harder?

A crime which the culprit wept bitterly and repented of in Psalm 51. Of course, repentance is an unknown concept, no?

Your man is definitely of the angel who did not repent.
guru267
#116 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2014 9:06:07 AM
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Muriel wrote:
Your man is definitely of the angel who did not repent.


The problem here is that you are too ignorant to prove whether Muhammad (saw) repented or not!

The qur'an tells me not to debate with ignorance so I won't...

Simply Post something about Muhammad and qur'an and I show how much your Bible is the same!

There is enough rape, plunder, adultery, murder, slavery and terror in that Bible to quote for a lifetime!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
chemos
#117 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2014 9:19:33 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Your man is definitely of the angel who did not repent.


The problem here is that you are too ignorant to prove whether Muhammad (saw) repented or not!

The qur'an tells me not to debate with ignorance so I won't...

Simply Post something about Muhammad and qur'an and I show how much your Bible is the same!

There is enough rape, plunder, adultery, murder, slavery and terror in that Bible to quote for a lifetime!



As much as you may be right about all this things happening in the Bible in Modern day how many times have you seen followers of the Bible acting out this behaviors purporting to follow what is in the Holy Books.????

muganda
#118 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2014 9:42:31 AM
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Come on guys!

@Muriel you need to move past this anti-Muslim thing.
@guru267 losing some battles is only a sign of wisdom
@AlphDoti brother, anger can be righteous in defense of the innocent
@muganda enough with the sanctimonious post


There's a little child in all of us.
Right now, Boko Haram has taken them away...


Muriel
#119 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2014 10:44:53 AM
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Alright! I am sorry.

Guru, Alphdoti, forgive me please if I made you angry. I hope you will not ignore me when I want to talk to you about other, different, matters in other threads. Ok?

Muganda, I leave you with one of Martin Luther quotes as he was being anti something - "Let the minds clash-- but keep the fists down."
XSK
#120 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57:32 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Your man is definitely of the angel who did not repent.


The problem here is that you are too ignorant to prove whether Muhammad (saw) repented or not!

The qur'an tells me not to debate with ignorance so I won't...

Simply Post something about Muhammad and qur'an and I show how much your Bible is the same!

There is enough rape, plunder, adultery, murder, slavery and terror in that Bible to quote for a lifetime!


@Guru267

Do two wrongs make a right? I am sure you can do better than that. This thread was basically about the girls.
You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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