@ Jag.
When does a situation shift from EVACUATION to SEARCH & RESCUE?

What we expected KDF to do in terms rescue is to get us the 60 or so Kenyans who were listed under missing by the Red cross as from Sunday Morning. Now at 23

Did you read the story of one Justo and a guard who hid in the ventilation till late night at 10pm. He managed to gather some courage and walk out of his hideout. down the stairs into the basement to the amazement of KDF soldiers who were manning/idling there.
He told them his new friend is still stuck in there and they promised to act..
Well long story short. the guard is alive. Did KDF go to get him? Your guess is as good as mine.
The 23 missing could have been Kenyans who were too freaked out to walk out like Justo. probably some lost consciousness and were stuck in there for the 4 days..
The last woman to walk out on Sunday morning was hiding in the parking under a car.. did KDF go for her.. nope she saw boots and figured its safe to walk out

You really wonder if they ever did any thorough search and rescue.

The only guy KDF rescued is the Nakumatt employee who passed out in the supermarket KDF found him late at night, when the thugs retreated to the back room.

What i expected KDF to do was go from each room and crevice. Searching for Kenyans. if they found none. man it while armed to the tooth. comb each and every corner as the rangers searched for the thugs.
If they at that point manage to locate the thugs, and it so happens they have hostages, they should have halted and found out if the guys wanted to blow themselves up.. kill all hostages or fight to death..

I would have expected the KDF to take charge of all the CCTV footages in the building, turned off the lights and used night vision/infra red to try ID humans in the building

I would have expected KDF, now that they took charge of the operation, to question survivors and ask how many people they saw go in. 2+2 would have told them 4 armed thugs stormed in. If there were any inside already, there would have been witnesses to confirm. There are always witnesses in search a crowded area.
Some body would have said we were in Nakumat and somebody started shooting from inside so there were some inside.

Hii Kifua mbele ilituwaste

ditto!

i would have been alarmed had we seen the 200 of them leaving with truckloads of stuff or in carts not the 5 or 6 we saw with some paperbags probably containing some cigarettes or booze.

Again, jicho pevu missed the point...am not a fan of caro mutoko but she has nailed it here.

c & p

On 21st September 2013 - a month ago today - We betrayed Kenya.

I am watching Jicho Pevu like everyone else and I feel that we haven’t found, named and shamed all the animals. I want the Hyenas, Jackals, Vultures, chickens and then the wolves. KDF can't be the official scapegoat for what happened at Westgate? Get a grip. They didn’t set this thing in motion
This ball was set in motion by you and me. Kenyans. I am talking about the Kenyans at the Immigration department who allowed these crooks into our country for a bribe or simply by not doing their job. The Kenyans at Nyayo house who looked the other way as aliens came into the country or for a neat sum of money granted them IDs and passports.

I am talking of the Kenyans at our borders who provide safe passage to criminals and aliens. The taxi driver who may have driven the terrorists into the Mall. That Car Hire company that may have hired out their vehicle for this purpose. I want us to flash out the Hyenas and vultures of Westgate. If we don’t, this will happen again and soon. Focusing on the guys who came to the party late doesn’t help.

On 21st September 2013 - We betrayed Kenya.

I’m talking about you – the Kenyans who may have hosted these terrorists for the period they were planning this horrendous act. Westgate wasn’t a freak event. It was planned, well planned. The mall was well cased and those guys knew how to get in and get out in record time.

On 21st September 2013 - We betrayed Kenya.

We who in the pretext of helping, looted Westgate. We - the so called rescuers who looted Westgate. You and I know about them. We have heard them speaking about it. But now that EVERYONE is focused on KDF, we are hoping no-one will ask the tough questions about us.

I want to call out the employees, vultures and hyenas of the stores in Westgate. The ones who emptied the tills and cash registers even as they were running and today are breathing a sigh of relief, now that all eyes are on KDF – fisi wewe.

On 21st September 2013 - We betrayed Kenya.

We the vultures and Hyenas who subsequently robbed patients and dead bodies. Vultures in our hospitals and our mortuaries. I want to call out the foxes and hyenas and skunks whose dead bodies had loot in their pockets.

Don’t kid me that every till in every shop and every restaurant was emptied by KDF. Don’t try and hoodwink me into believing that every display case was raided by KDF. We were on the job long before they landed.

I love and applaud what Mohammed Ali and John Allan Namu are doing with Jicho Pevu. It’s lifted the lid for us to now tell the entire story. Not about KDF, those dudes were the tail end of the story of the betrayal of a nation by it’s citizens. Westgate boils down to one simple thing – a lack of patriotism on our part.

On 21st September 2013 - We betrayed Kenya and if we don't come to grips with that - it will happen again.

I'm waiting for parliament to officially withdraw the citizenship of anyone who saw kdf looting from westgate.

We know what we saw. We are not happy. Threatening us with hating Kenya is rather silly.

What we don't like are looters and alcoholics going to represent Kenya in situations of war.

There you go, now say again how I hate Kenya, al-shabab lover, muslim convert, terrorist apologist etc.

If KDF officers looted, they should be arrested. As long as they are not being arrested, it means KDF are looters to the core. They have a commander in chief who approves of looters.

I cannot believe what I reading here from the likes of @harrydre, @jaggernaut and @siringi.

This thread is about KDF and their actions at westgate, so it doesn't really help to start blaming the whole of Kenya.

As citizens, pointing out the mistakes in KDF is the utmost act of patriotism: we care enough about them to point out where they are going wrong.

I wish the military guys would just humble themselves, admit that they made mistakes and take action against all the soldiers who acted unprofessionally. Their leadership also needs to acknowledge their part in this mess.