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Jubilee Holdings results FY2010 profit jumps 84 pct
invest0r
#111 Posted : Friday, June 03, 2011 9:44:01 AM
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@guru267, you have diverted from the matter we were tackling. And FYI, I am not an accountant, a finance analyst or an economist. But I have good understanding of these fields because they are very important for an investor. Now you know when investing, I would consider a load of things
guru267
#112 Posted : Friday, June 03, 2011 12:15:40 PM
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invest0r wrote:
@guru267, you have diverted from the matter we were tackling. And FYI, I am not an accountant, a finance analyst or an economist. But I have good understanding of these fields because they are very important for an investor. Now you know when investing, I would consider a load of things

If so then why do you keep on saying they had an underwriting loss of 258million when basic accounting shows an underwriting profit of 543million for jubilee unmatched by any other... I cant wait when they hit 1 billion in underwriting profits and some will still call it a loss.. Laughing out loudly

Dont you think they would have been investigated if they reported two results
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
invest0r
#113 Posted : Friday, June 03, 2011 3:18:20 PM
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@guru267, we are talking about underwriting loss therefore one cannot avoid mentioning it. Don't get petty. Present your digits of how you are arriving at an underwriting profit of 543mio
guru267
#114 Posted : Friday, June 03, 2011 10:26:50 PM
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invest0r wrote:
@guru267, we are talking about underwriting loss therefore one cannot avoid mentioning it. Don't get petty. Present your digits of how you are arriving at an underwriting profit of 543mio

www.jubileeholdings.com
Annual report 2010.. PDF
REfer to:
1. Chairmans statement
2. Note 2.4
3. Note 6
4. Note 8

I rest my case...
Happy fishing!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
QW25071985
#115 Posted : Friday, June 03, 2011 10:32:30 PM
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when will the extra shares (bonus) start trading...
the deal
#116 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:30:36 AM
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@investor from the balance sheet i was able to deduce weather Jub overpaid in claims or not...what i don't know weather they were deliberate inflated claims or real claims which came thru and Managemnt is hiding...Tangible Book Value(TBV) for JUB is Ksh 179...this stock normarlly trades X2 its TBV...so fair value of JUB is around 350 bob there.
invest0r
#117 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:11:40 AM
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@the deal, thank you. I am a keen reader of your work and it is very good

@guru267, here are my concluding remarks

1. Your last post no 114 was supposed to present the digits but you have opted for an evasive response. This makes one think that you know you are wrong but you cannot admit it.

2. The chairman’s statement is in complete contradiction with the audited accounts (refer to post 109 in this case).

3. Note 2.4 are an integral part of the audited accounts. Every investor should read it and understand how the premiums and claims are measured and recognized.

4. Note 6 and Note 8 clearly show that Jubilee made an underwriting loss of KES. 258,580,000. The digits are:

Net insurance premium revenue 5,360,136,000
Less: Net insurance claims 5,618,716,000
Underwriting loss 258,580,000

5. To let you know that Jubilee is far from the best in terms of underwriting performance, have a look at this comparative analysis of insurance companies from @kenyainvesting.blogspot.com.

http://kenyainvesting.bl...rative-analysis-of.html


I rest my case too.

Happy fishing too.
guru267
#118 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 10:39:04 AM
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@investor please act professional.. Are you asking me to believe a BLOG over the chairmans statement??? SERIOUSLY!!!!

Do you really invest basing on blogged information??

You asked for figures and I provided...
If you were well versed with insurance you would know that not all benefits will be included in the calculation of underwriting profits...
Note 2.4 describes the fact that it is possible to inflate claims...

And remind me why youve chosen to ignore the chairmans statement where he states underwriting profit??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
the deal
#119 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 10:49:25 AM
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hehehe @investor like @guru says that blog tells you nothing now lemme teach you something...Float comes from insurance...and Jub has the highest Float in EA so their the no 1 insurer in EA...now what's float? lemme explain in layman terms's...if you go to Jub and take out a life policy it doesnt mean you will die today but you will be paying for it (premiums) so an insurer will take this free money a.k.a Float and invest for better returns while their still waiting for your claim...now the best insurer's have high float and a low combined ratio a.k.a as cost of float...in 2009 JUB had 6 B Ksh in float and a combined ratio of 85% (super good)...with that 6 B Ksh they would have bought Unga pty ltd or do many things with it..with your Free money this is how Buffet got Rich...a well run insurance company is a MONEY MAGNET...now in 2010 Jub's float shrunk to around Ksh 4 B as claims accelerated...the combined ratio shot above 100%...do you see the correlation of the two...a low float and a high combined ratio means the imsurer is struggling i.e Britak falls in tha category...now JUB's 2010 float of Ksh 4 B is still da best in EA hence their no 1 insurance king pins.
invest0r
#120 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:22:24 AM
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@guru267, read my concluding remarks properly. To make it clear to you, the chairman’s statement contradicts the auditors report and so it’s prudent to go with the independent auditor’s report that is certified as true and accepted by NSE and CMA.

And note that I have not related the blog and the chairman’s statement in any way. The blog is presented for a comparative analysis of the insurance companies.

GET PROFESSIONAL ON THIS MATTER, @GURU

@the deal, the blog made a comparative analysis of the insurance companies. If you may, please do a comparative analysis the insurance companies in your blog. I respect your works and it will be good to see your point of view.
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