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Angelica _ann
#2361 Posted : Monday, October 05, 2015 6:05:06 PM
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http://news.sky.com/stor...ee-violent-staff-protest
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obiero
#2362 Posted : Monday, October 05, 2015 6:35:53 PM
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Damaris Nduta wrote:
ProverB wrote:
obiero wrote:
the silver bullet for KQ is mbuvi ngunze www.nation.co.ke/busines...6/-/qctcwjz/-/index.html


Indeed. Silver bullets is what is used to kill werewolves. Mythical of course. But Mbuvi Ngunze is a silver bullet indeed.

KQ is not dead yet. It will be. Get on more ngunzes



When will the AGM be?

@dama this friday

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Gathige
#2363 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 2:19:22 AM
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obiero wrote:
Damaris Nduta wrote:
ProverB wrote:
obiero wrote:
the silver bullet for KQ is mbuvi ngunze www.nation.co.ke/busines...6/-/qctcwjz/-/index.html


Indeed. Silver bullets is what is used to kill werewolves. Mythical of course. But Mbuvi Ngunze is a silver bullet indeed.

KQ is not dead yet. It will be. Get on more ngunzes



When will the AGM be?

@dama this friday


@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
sparkly
#2364 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 6:51:21 AM
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Air France employees attack bosses over job cuts


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Pesa Nane
#2365 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:36:07 AM
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Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
enyands
#2366 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:11:04 AM
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Location: kenya
Gordon Gekko wrote:
Courtesy of my ♥ throb Terry-Ann Chebet:

A STEP- BY- STEP GUIDE TO BRINGING DOWN AN AIRLINE

1.Ensure staff morale is at an all time low. Do not motivate or respect your staff, remember to dismiss employees and at every opportune moment, slash allowances and salaries. Make sure you lose your best minds to other airlines.

2.Do not create goodwill or loyalty from employees, this will then create abundant space for corruption.

3. Try your best to get a raw deal from so-called partners who must not share a vision with your airline. Never re-negotiate partnerships.

4. Introduce irrelevant departments with overpaid heads. Make use of as many consultants as you can who are paid to do nothing.

5. Over price your ticketing and do not care what competitors charge.

6. Withdrew from routes that make money to pave way for partner airlines.

7.Ensure your board is complacent and has as little knowledge on aviation as possible.

8.Hire expatriate cabin crew, they should stay in expensive hotels at all times, ensure you ignore multilingual Kenyans sending in CV’s for these positions.

9.Hedge your fuel for long periods of time under arrangements that will not profit the airline.

10.Make sure flight cancellations are frequent, the angier the customers, the closer you are to your ultimate goal.

11.Buy aircraft that everyone warns you against. Buy many of them actually, especially if they are expensive to maintain, with wanting cargo capacity in a market with high demand for cargo carriers. Ensure you pale in comparison to your competitors who have bigger equipment.

12. Import all your inflight items from Europe and other expensive markets.

13. Don’t bother with the procurement guys, whether it is aircraft parts or fuel, they know best.

14.Hang on to your old fleet however expensive they are to maintain and fuel.

Gathige
#2367 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 4:02:49 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?


@Pesa Nane, for me the bottom line is price. I have taken two trips in the last one month and did comparative price checks not at a travel website but at the travel agent's office ( with cash in my hand). Trip 1 : Ethiopian $473, KQ: 620. I choose ET and saved $147, quite some good change. Trip 2, KQ 45K, Rwandair 25K, i had 20k as pocket change.Ni hayo tuu.

As they discuss fuel hedging, leasing etc, they could spare time too for price sensitive customers like gathige.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
obiero
#2368 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 7:31:12 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
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Location: nairobi
Gathige wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?


@Pesa Nane, for me the bottom line is price. I have taken two trips in the last one month and did comparative price checks not at a travel website but at the travel agent's office ( with cash in my hand). Trip 1 : Ethiopian $473, KQ: 620. I choose ET and saved $147, quite some good change. Trip 2, KQ 45K, Rwandair 25K, i had 20k as pocket change.Ni hayo tuu.

As they discuss fuel hedging, leasing etc, they could spare time too for price sensitive customers like gathige.

The employees of Air France - KLM had no right to do what they did, but with close to 100k shares I may do worse.. May spank these fellows into rational reasoning

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Pesa Nane
#2369 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 8:19:44 PM
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Gathige wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?


@Pesa Nane, for me the bottom line is price. I have taken two trips in the last one month and did comparative price checks not at a travel website but at the travel agent's office ( with cash in my hand). Trip 1 : Ethiopian $473, KQ: 620. I choose ET and saved $147, quite some good change. Trip 2, KQ 45K, Rwandair 25K, i had 20k as pocket change.Ni hayo tuu.

As they discuss fuel hedging, leasing etc, they could spare time too for price sensitive customers like gathige.

Point missed! I also love to look at the price but just as you choose Rwandair / Ethiopian there are Rwandese, Ethiopians, S. Africans, TZ-ians and Ugandans who will choose KQ purely based on price!
Thing is, for KQ, the EXPENDITURE and not the income is the problem. Same like an organized hustler will have pocket change while a high flying high spender gets parted with his.
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
obiero
#2370 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 9:02:35 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,781
Location: nairobi
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?


@Pesa Nane, for me the bottom line is price. I have taken two trips in the last one month and did comparative price checks not at a travel website but at the travel agent's office ( with cash in my hand). Trip 1 : Ethiopian $473, KQ: 620. I choose ET and saved $147, quite some good change. Trip 2, KQ 45K, Rwandair 25K, i had 20k as pocket change.Ni hayo tuu.

As they discuss fuel hedging, leasing etc, they could spare time too for price sensitive customers like gathige.

Point missed! I also love to look at the price but just as you choose Rwandair / Ethiopian there are Rwandese, Ethiopians, S. Africans, TZ-ians and Ugandans who will choose KQ purely based on price!
Thing is, for KQ, the EXPENDITURE and not the income is the problem. Same like an organized hustler will have pocket change while a high flying high spender gets parted with his.

That is a solid point. I particulary wonder why they hired over 120 new pilots between 2013 and 2015 while they only added 7 planes. Could it possible be imagined that one plane is operated by about 14 pilots??? Mazingaumbwe haya

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
enyands
#2371 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 9:52:57 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
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obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?


@Pesa Nane, for me the bottom line is price. I have taken two trips in the last one month and did comparative price checks not at a travel website but at the travel agent's office ( with cash in my hand). Trip 1 : Ethiopian $473, KQ: 620. I choose ET and saved $147, quite some good change. Trip 2, KQ 45K, Rwandair 25K, i had 20k as pocket change.Ni hayo tuu.

As they discuss fuel hedging, leasing etc, they could spare time too for price sensitive customers like gathige.

Point missed! I also love to look at the price but just as you choose Rwandair / Ethiopian there are Rwandese, Ethiopians, S. Africans, TZ-ians and Ugandans who will choose KQ purely based on price!
Thing is, for KQ, the EXPENDITURE and not the income is the problem. Same like an organized hustler will have pocket change while a high flying high spender gets parted with his.

That is a solid point. I particulary wonder why they hired over 120 new pilots between 2013 and 2015 while they only added 7 planes. Could it possible be imagined that one plane is operated by about 14 pilots??? Mazingaumbwe haya


as I mentioned earlier that those newly ones are the ones with good connections and you aren't supposed to touch them, those are the ones who are wazembe and make a lot of noise and if you let them go you loose your job too.so shareholders need to air their voice.i don't know how they going let them go without stepping on their who is who father's shoes
obiero
#2372 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2015 7:25:19 AM
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enyands wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Gathige wrote:

@Obiero, When you go for the AGM, can you let the the big bosses know their fares are just two high and chasing away long term customers. Since ditching KQ over high fares, I have flown Ethiopian and Rwandair regionally, and the latter two airlines charge half what KQ charges. KQ however has newer planes, better food ( am sure some wazuans will doubt this, but Ethiopian meals are crap).

Otherwise with the current tough economic times, if Team KQ continues with their high fares policy, they might as well open a solidarity account to remain aflot..


Pricing might not be the issue. Please re-boot, read the link in full, do some quick internet search and advice on findings. I was persuaded.
Bankelele: Is Kenya Airways Over-Priced?


@Pesa Nane, for me the bottom line is price. I have taken two trips in the last one month and did comparative price checks not at a travel website but at the travel agent's office ( with cash in my hand). Trip 1 : Ethiopian $473, KQ: 620. I choose ET and saved $147, quite some good change. Trip 2, KQ 45K, Rwandair 25K, i had 20k as pocket change.Ni hayo tuu.

As they discuss fuel hedging, leasing etc, they could spare time too for price sensitive customers like gathige.

Point missed! I also love to look at the price but just as you choose Rwandair / Ethiopian there are Rwandese, Ethiopians, S. Africans, TZ-ians and Ugandans who will choose KQ purely based on price!
Thing is, for KQ, the EXPENDITURE and not the income is the problem. Same like an organized hustler will have pocket change while a high flying high spender gets parted with his.

That is a solid point. I particulary wonder why they hired over 120 new pilots between 2013 and 2015 while they only added 7 planes. Could it possible be imagined that one plane is operated by about 14 pilots??? Mazingaumbwe haya


as I mentioned earlier that those newly ones are the ones with good connections and you aren't supposed to touch them, those are the ones who are wazembe and make a lot of noise and if you let them go you loose your job too.so shareholders need to air their voice.i don't know how they going let them go without stepping on their who is who father's shoes

I wld understanf that kind of patronage at NBK, Kenya Re, KRA etc. But KQ based on shareholding percentage of GoK should not apply monkey tactics in employment of brats

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#2373 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2015 10:15:27 AM
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For those who care.

https://kenya-airways.co..._Annual_Report_2015.PDF

Page 136
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#2374 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:03:40 PM
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obiero wrote:
Damaris Nduta wrote:
ProverB wrote:
obiero wrote:
the silver bullet for KQ is mbuvi ngunze www.nation.co.ke/busines...6/-/qctcwjz/-/index.html


Indeed. Silver bullets is what is used to kill werewolves. Mythical of course. But Mbuvi Ngunze is a silver bullet indeed.

KQ is not dead yet. It will be. Get on more ngunzes

Mbuvi Ngunze will be the guest on Jeff Koinange live tonight. Time for the uninitiated to see brilliance in action.

When will the AGM be?

@dama this friday


COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#2375 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:05:20 PM
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Mbuvi Ngunze is the guest on JKL tonight

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Impunity
#2376 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2015 10:21:55 PM
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obiero wrote:
Mbuvi Ngunze is the guest on JKL tonight

Anything we haven't heard?I doubt!!!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

enyands
#2377 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2015 11:25:11 PM
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Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mbuvi Ngunze is the guest on JKL tonight

Anything we haven't heard?I doubt!!!


So what did mbuvi say
VituVingiSana
#2378 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2015 2:51:12 AM
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enyands wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mbuvi Ngunze is the guest on JKL tonight

Anything we haven't heard?I doubt!!!


So what did mbuvi say

I didn't watch it but I bet the usual stuff which @Obiero can confirm
1) Ebola.
2) Travel warnings.
3) New strategy.
4) Lower costs.
5) Vision 2030.
6) Hedges are good.
7) Volatility of fuel prices.
8) Competition copied us.

I am staying far away. I can buy KK at 9/- ... and I'd rather buy KK than KQ.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
enyands
#2379 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:44:43 AM
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Location: kenya
VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mbuvi Ngunze is the guest on JKL tonight

Anything we haven't heard?I doubt!!!


So what did mbuvi say

I didn't watch it but I bet the usual stuff which @Obiero can confirm
1) Ebola.
2) Travel warnings.
3) New strategy.
4) Lower costs.
5) Vision 2030.
6) Hedges are good.
7) Volatility of fuel prices.
8) Competition copied us.

I am staying far away. I can buy KK at 9/- ... and I'd rather buy KK than KQ.


@vvs for once I agree with you after quit some different opinionated views earlier . I'd rather do kk when it's 10 than kq at 5 bob
Angelica _ann
#2380 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2015 6:01:45 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,921
enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mbuvi Ngunze is the guest on JKL tonight

Anything we haven't heard?I doubt!!!


So what did mbuvi say

I didn't watch it but I bet the usual stuff which @Obiero can confirm
1) Ebola.
2) Travel warnings.
3) New strategy.
4) Lower costs.
5) Vision 2030.
6) Hedges are good.
7) Volatility of fuel prices.
8) Competition copied us.

I am staying far away. I can buy KK at 9/- ... and I'd rather buy KK than KQ.


@vvs for once I agree with you after quit some different opinionated views earlier . I'd rather do kk when it's 10 than kq at 5 bob

Surprisingly he smooth talked himself around the questions talking strategy & business focus without blaming so much the usual issues. He has asked for 18 months normalization/recovery period & back to good business in the 'long term'.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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