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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,215 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Swenani wrote:Mimi nikiwa utawala huona vile ndege za kwenda Juba, Entebbe,mombasa, Dar,london and Amsterdam zikistruggle ku-take off nimeconcluded those are the most profitable routes since inakaa huwa zinabeba watu wa kusimama. KQ should elimate most of the routes and remain with those 6 destinations. You are better of making a profit of Kes 20,000 out of Kes 100, 000 revenues than make 24 birrion loss out of a revenues of 100birrion
#pesamfukonieconomics101# GoK and @Obiero disagree with your assessment! Lakini, #TukoPamoja Total balderdash.. Jambojet can fly regional while KQ goes continental, intercontinental.. If SAA, FlyET can have daily flights to NYC over the last 40 odd years why shouldn’t KQ
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Swenani wrote:Mimi nikiwa utawala huona vile ndege za kwenda Juba, Entebbe,mombasa, Dar,london and Amsterdam zikistruggle ku-take off nimeconcluded those are the most profitable routes since inakaa huwa zinabeba watu wa kusimama. KQ should elimate most of the routes and remain with those 6 destinations. You are better of making a profit of Kes 20,000 out of Kes 100, 000 revenues than make 24 birrion loss out of a revenues of 100birrion
#pesamfukonieconomics101# GoK and @Obiero disagree with your assessment! Lakini, #TukoPamoja Total balderdash.. Jambojet can fly regional while KQ goes continental, intercontinental.. If SAA, FlyET can have daily flights to NYC over the last 40 odd years why shouldn’t KQ possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/30/2016 Posts: 217 Location: Talai
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Swenani wrote:Mimi nikiwa utawala huona vile ndege za kwenda Juba, Entebbe,mombasa, Dar,london and Amsterdam zikistruggle ku-take off nimeconcluded those are the most profitable routes since inakaa huwa zinabeba watu wa kusimama. KQ should elimate most of the routes and remain with those 6 destinations. You are better of making a profit of Kes 20,000 out of Kes 100, 000 revenues than make 24 birrion loss out of a revenues of 100birrion
#pesamfukonieconomics101# GoK and @Obiero disagree with your assessment! Lakini, #TukoPamoja Total balderdash.. Jambojet can fly regional while KQ goes continental, intercontinental.. If SAA, FlyET can have daily flights to NYC over the last 40 odd years why shouldn’t KQ RIGHT NOW IAM POSTING THIS KQ CRUISING NORTH ATLANTIC OCEAN TO NAIROBI AND ANOTHER CLIMBING and CRUISING TOWARDS L.Victoria Headed to JKF,NEWYORK.I wish I can post the images for the doubting thomases....  Watch and Listen and Live
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,215 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Swenani wrote:Mimi nikiwa utawala huona vile ndege za kwenda Juba, Entebbe,mombasa, Dar,london and Amsterdam zikistruggle ku-take off nimeconcluded those are the most profitable routes since inakaa huwa zinabeba watu wa kusimama. KQ should elimate most of the routes and remain with those 6 destinations. You are better of making a profit of Kes 20,000 out of Kes 100, 000 revenues than make 24 birrion loss out of a revenues of 100birrion
#pesamfukonieconomics101# GoK and @Obiero disagree with your assessment! Lakini, #TukoPamoja Total balderdash.. Jambojet can fly regional while KQ goes continental, intercontinental.. If SAA, FlyET can have daily flights to NYC over the last 40 odd years why shouldn’t KQ Someone getting pissed off at seeing white peoples in a white man country. Is it KQ fault that she couldn’t afford premier class?
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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"We are like 45. So everyone has a row of seats to just bangaiza. #KQNBONYC" What's the capacity of biz class? What's the capacity of cattle class? What would the estimated breakeven load factor be? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/24/2017 Posts: 44
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VituVingiSana wrote:"We are like 45. So everyone has a row of seats to just bangaiza.
#KQNBONYC"
What's the capacity of biz class?
What's the capacity of cattle class?
What would the estimated breakeven load factor be? Biz 30 economy 234
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2008 Posts: 199
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shadowinvestor wrote:Mostly unseen in this dabate is the impact of Cargo. KQ in the 2007+ era went heavy in flying fruits and stuff to Dubai- Made a killing and half-
Focus on this route should include dedicated cargo plane/price cargo competitively.
Kenyan flowers arrive in Amsterdam to be resent to New York, there are clear savings hapo. Factor in the lower requirements for horticulture standards in USA than EU makes it a investors paradise.
As the route is structured, KQ can't make money on cargo. I recently talked to someone who works in an airline. Dreamliner carries 42t of payload. However on a long flight, they have to sacrifice that payload to carry enough fuel. The plane is limited to a certain design maximum take off weight. When you subtract the fuel required to fly for 15 hours from this, they can only take up 27t. KQ has a configuration of 0/30/204 on their Dreamliner. Assuming each pax + bags is 100kg, the fully sold plane (which they seem to be struggling with getting behinds on seats) can theoretically only carry 3.6t of revenue cargo. For perspective, about 9,000 mangos or about 600 boxes of flowers; not much. On shorter flights of 8-10 hours, they can carry everything. The spare capacity (15t) is money left at the table and burnt on the altar of the prestige of non-stop flying. Not smart. There are a few ways this route could make money: * extremely expensive tickets (assuming they can find enough people to pay for the novelty) * stopover to - take up more passengers & cargo and/or - refuel * stop flying it to dedicate resources to more profitable undertakings * code share with an American carrier with a hub at JFK to feed them passengers * get a different aeroplane, that is not capacity-constrained, for the route. A350XWB or 777-200LR come to mind. {Ethiopian operates both types} I understand this is quite an emotive subject. But there are some tough questions that have been glossed over by the management for the hype. Quite irresponsible for a company in negative equity position, with its principle shareholders hardly in a position to inject additional capital. Also, I would have thought KQLC would be more prudent in safeguarding their interest by perhaps employing aviation finance advisors. Unrelated, the investment environment in Kenya is quite perilous. Especially when it comes to information. I have noticed journalists regurgitate press releases without critical enquiry. Auditor... Regulators... Additionally, investors, hardly take management to account (the AGM souvenir hunters take the cake). Seems like the only way to make money or safeguard your investments is to have people on the inside feeding you info. What is the solution?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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tandich wrote:shadowinvestor wrote:Mostly unseen in this dabate is the impact of Cargo. KQ in the 2007+ era went heavy in flying fruits and stuff to Dubai- Made a killing and half-
Focus on this route should include dedicated cargo plane/price cargo competitively.
Kenyan flowers arrive in Amsterdam to be resent to New York, there are clear savings hapo. Factor in the lower requirements for horticulture standards in USA than EU makes it a investors paradise.
As the route is structured, KQ can't make money on cargo. I recently talked to someone who works in an airline. Dreamliner carries 42t of payload. However on a long flight, they have to sacrifice that payload to carry enough fuel. The plane is limited to a certain design maximum take off weight. When you subtract the fuel required to fly for 15 hours from this, they can only take up 27t. KQ has a configuration of 0/30/204 on their Dreamliner. Assuming each pax + bags is 100kg, the fully sold plane (which they seem to be struggling with getting behinds on seats) can theoretically only carry 3.6t of revenue cargo. For perspective, about 9,000 mangos or about 600 boxes of flowers; not much. On shorter flights of 8-10 hours, they can carry everything. The spare capacity (15t) is money left at the table and burnt on the altar of the prestige of non-stop flying. Not smart. There are a few ways this route could make money: * extremely expensive tickets (assuming they can find enough people to pay for the novelty) * stopover to - take up more passengers & cargo and/or - refuel * stop flying it to dedicate resources to more profitable undertakings * code share with an American carrier with a hub at JFK to feed them passengers * get a different aeroplane, that is not capacity-constrained, for the route. A350XWB or 777-200LR come to mind. {Ethiopian operates both types} I understand this is quite an emotive subject. But there are some tough questions that have been glossed over by the management for the hype. Quite irresponsible for a company in negative equity position, with its principle shareholders hardly in a position to inject additional capital. Also, I would have thought KQLC would be more prudent in safeguarding their interest by perhaps employing aviation finance advisors. Unrelated, the investment environment in Kenya is quite perilous. Especially when it comes to information. I have noticed journalists regurgitate press releases without critical enquiry. Auditor... Regulators... Additionally, investors, hardly take management to account (the AGM souvenir hunters take the cake). Seems like the only way to make money or safeguard your investments is to have people on the inside feeding you info. What is the solution? Thus not an optimal decision at all. Why not refuel bon air. Simply station three tankers at see and uplift fuel at the right moment.  Kwani iko niny, I can station my refuel station in air so long as kq is willing to pay me cash. Ni hayo too. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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News from down South....👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 https://ewn.co.za/2018/1...-should-be-closed-down. The video to that.... https://youtu.be/KcAuuRBr2MYpossunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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[quote=maka]News from down South....👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 https://ewn.co.za/2018/1...-should-be-closed-down. The video to that.... https://youtu.be/KcAuuRBr2MY[/quote] wasn't KQ going into some sort of partnership/JV with SAA? I bet this would be good news for KQ and ET? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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