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obiero		#11161 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23:32 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi		maka wrote: Liv wrote: hardwood wrote: maka wrote: Liv wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy. Il remind you of your sagely words in the near future.... No one denies that business is tough... You need to have skin in the game etc... In the end NYC was and will never be a good route... Never... How come I support Mogadishu.... Extra flights to CT.... Libreville... Some areas of Europe.... Simple they make business sense and will turn in a profit fast... NYC doesn't... Setting up Mogadishu hasn't been a walk in the park... But the costs are way manageable... You squeeze the ground handler and tell them you want USD600 for every plane that lands... They will have to give you that... That flight will always have the numbers... lucrative route...Quick turnaround and its back... More money for KQ... I think mogadishu is a bad idea. Particularly when we are still fighting alshabab and also doing JFK. Mogadishu should wait for another 3 years as we see how things pan out. I agree KQ shouldn't be in a hurry to start Mogadishu for security reasons. Alshabab can do anything to down a plane. That has been sorted.... Hapa @maka you disappoint me .. How has the threat been sorted? KQ ABP 4.26
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shadowinvestor		#11162 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:27:01 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2012 Posts: 139		Mostly unseen in this dabate is the impact of Cargo. KQ in the 2007+ era went heavy in flying fruits and stuff to Dubai- Made a killing and half- Focus on this route should include dedicated cargo plane/price cargo competitively. Kenyan flowers arrive in Amsterdam to be resent to New York, there are clear savings hapo. Factor in the lower requirements for horticulture standards in USA than EU makes it a investors paradise.
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obiero		#11163 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:52:24 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi		shadowinvestor wrote: Mostly unseen in this dabate is the impact of Cargo. KQ in the 2007+ era went heavy in flying fruits and stuff to Dubai- Made a killing and half- Focus on this route should include dedicated cargo plane/price cargo competitively. Kenyan flowers arrive in Amsterdam to be resent to New York, there are clear savings hapo. Factor in the lower requirements for horticulture standards in USA than EU makes it a investors paradise. @maka thinks otherwise.. KQ ABP 4.26
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shadowinvestor		#11164 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 3:00:26 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2012 Posts: 139		In the airline industry, there is focus so much on passenger comfort, class etc yet airlines hardly make money actually investors always lose their investment in the long run. People forget the need of transportation is to move from point A to B. Budget airlines approached this need in a unique way and most make money. Cargo airlines are the workhorse(money earner) for the company- They haul and make cash, they can be delayed without twitting and complaining/getting overnight stays in 5 star hotels. Kenya play has been commodities, we have preferential entry of goods unlike people, to the USA, cost of production is very low. Why not compete with mexico from here. obiero wrote: shadowinvestor wrote: Mostly unseen in this dabate is the impact of Cargo. KQ in the 2007+ era went heavy in flying fruits and stuff to Dubai- Made a killing and half- Focus on this route should include dedicated cargo plane/price cargo competitively. Kenyan flowers arrive in Amsterdam to be resent to New York, there are clear savings hapo. Factor in the lower requirements for horticulture standards in USA than EU makes it a investors paradise. @maka thinks otherwise..
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VituVingiSana		#11165 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 3:50:50 PM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi		murchr wrote: For those asking 001 ni ndege ya rais. Was he on the first flight to NYC? If yes, why wasn't it called KQ001? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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murchr		#11166 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 3:53:23 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980		VituVingiSana wrote: murchr wrote: For those asking 001 ni ndege ya rais. Was he on the first flight to NYC? If yes, why wasn't it called KQ001? No he was not. Numbering 001 is reserved for the presidential jet. That flies anywhere when he so pleases "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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VituVingiSana		#11167 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 4:01:14 PM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi		hardwood wrote: maka wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Jesus Christ @Obiero....I said il stop posting but... I feel like strangling you.... Aaaargh.... The commercial viability of this flight is almost nil... Lets focus on Mogadishu next 2 weeks.... Forget NYC.... Forget kabisa.... BTW Mikosz had also been advised to fly to Dakar or Accra.... Then onwards to US this would have worked 110% he refused... He has already made his name... Watch him go to another carrier.... Check this after Kapirwok left The Strategy committee.. KQ doesn't do its strategy in-house ... They outsource to some silly firm that knows nothing about the airline industry....The connection between strategy and network planning is non existent hence the goofs... This is akin to emirates routing their Dubai - US flights via JKIA. KQ and kenya would never allow that. Note senegal and ghana have direct US flights and would have protested any move by KQ to snatch their customers. Also I believe JKIA was approved as a last point of departure and therefore the US authorities would never allow KQ to make stop overs enroute to the US. Questions: 1) Does Senegal and Ghana have national airlines? [I thought the national airlines were dead] 2) If they don't have a national (or local) airline flying from Dakar/Accra to USA, then wouldn't they welcome competition? If all permissions were received, and if KQ did fly NBO-Dakar/ACC-USA, could it not reduce one 737 frequency to Dakar/ACC as well as pick up more USA-bound pax from Dakar/ACC? They should still try this route for ATL or DC to cater for the African diaspora. I am rooting for KQ as an (unfortunate) shareholder via GoK and KQLC. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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maka		#11168 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 4:55:30 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		VituVingiSana wrote: hardwood wrote: maka wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Jesus Christ @Obiero....I said il stop posting but... I feel like strangling you.... Aaaargh.... The commercial viability of this flight is almost nil... Lets focus on Mogadishu next 2 weeks.... Forget NYC.... Forget kabisa.... BTW Mikosz had also been advised to fly to Dakar or Accra.... Then onwards to US this would have worked 110% he refused... He has already made his name... Watch him go to another carrier.... Check this after Kapirwok left The Strategy committee.. KQ doesn't do its strategy in-house ... They outsource to some silly firm that knows nothing about the airline industry....The connection between strategy and network planning is non existent hence the goofs... This is akin to emirates routing their Dubai - US flights via JKIA. KQ and kenya would never allow that. Note senegal and ghana have direct US flights and would have protested any move by KQ to snatch their customers. Also I believe JKIA was approved as a last point of departure and therefore the US authorities would never allow KQ to make stop overs enroute to the US. Questions: 1) Does Senegal and Ghana have national airlines? [I thought the national airlines were dead] 2) If they don't have a national (or local) airline flying from Dakar/Accra to USA, then wouldn't they welcome competition? If all permissions were received, and if KQ did fly NBO-Dakar/ACC-USA, could it not reduce one 737 frequency to Dakar/ACC as well as pick up more USA-bound pax from Dakar/ACC? They should still try this route for ATL or DC to cater for the African diaspora. I am rooting for KQ as an (unfortunate) shareholder via GoK and KQLC. That was the brought up during planning the good CEO turned it down... possunt quia posse videntur
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Swenani		#11169 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:13:34 PM
Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum		Mimi nikiwa utawala huona vile ndege za kwenda Juba, Entebbe,mombasa, Dar,london and Amsterdam zikistruggle ku-take off nimeconcluded those are the most profitable routes since inakaa huwa zinabeba watu wa kusimama. KQ should elimate most of the routes and remain with those 6 destinations. You are better of making a profit of Kes 20,000 out of Kes 100, 000 revenues than make 24 birrion loss out of a revenues of 100birrion #pesamfukonieconomics101# If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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VituVingiSana		#11170 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:45:37 PM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi		Swenani wrote: Mimi nikiwa utawala huona vile ndege za kwenda Juba, Entebbe,mombasa, Dar,london and Amsterdam zikistruggle ku-take off nimeconcluded those are the most profitable routes since inakaa huwa zinabeba watu wa kusimama. KQ should elimate most of the routes and remain with those 6 destinations. You are better of making a profit of Kes 20,000 out of Kes 100, 000 revenues than make 24 birrion loss out of a revenues of 100birrion #pesamfukonieconomics101# GoK and @Obiero disagree with your assessment! Lakini, #TukoPamoja Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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