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hardwood		#11151 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:08:33 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		maka wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Jesus Christ @Obiero....I said il stop posting but... I feel like strangling you.... Aaaargh.... The commercial viability of this flight is almost nil... Lets focus on Mogadishu next 2 weeks.... Forget NYC.... Forget kabisa.... BTW Mikosz had also been advised to fly to Dakar or Accra.... Then onwards to US this would have worked 110% he refused... He has already made his name... Watch him go to another carrier.... Check this after Kapirwok left The Strategy committee.. KQ doesn't do its strategy in-house ... They outsource to some silly firm that knows nothing about the airline industry....The connection between strategy and network planning is non existent hence the goofs... So what's the way forward? They drop the JFK route after 3 days of operation?
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hardwood		#11152 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:24:05 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		maka wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Jesus Christ @Obiero....I said il stop posting but... I feel like strangling you.... Aaaargh.... The commercial viability of this flight is almost nil... Lets focus on Mogadishu next 2 weeks.... Forget NYC.... Forget kabisa.... BTW Mikosz had also been advised to fly to Dakar or Accra.... Then onwards to US this would have worked 110% he refused... He has already made his name... Watch him go to another carrier.... Check this after Kapirwok left The Strategy committee.. KQ doesn't do its strategy in-house ... They outsource to some silly firm that knows nothing about the airline industry....The connection between strategy and network planning is non existent hence the goofs... This is akin to emirates routing their Dubai - US flights via JKIA. KQ and kenya would never allow that. Note senegal and ghana have direct US flights and would have protested any move by KQ to snatch their customers. Also I believe JKIA was approved as a last point of departure and therefore the US authorities would never allow KQ to make stop overs enroute to the US.
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hardwood		#11153 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:52:12 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		KQ3 from NY has just landed at JKIA. How are the numbers from the US?
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Liv		#11154 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 10:15:42 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311		obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy.
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maka		#11155 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 10:26:37 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		hardwood wrote: KQ3 from NY has just landed at JKIA. How are the numbers from the US? Pathetic.... From next week we are down to 3 flights a week... Then 2...Then... possunt quia posse videntur
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maka		#11156 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 10:33:53 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		Liv wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy. Il remind you of your sagely words in the near future.... No one denies that business is tough... You need to have skin in the game etc... In the end NYC was and will never be a good route... Never... How come I support Mogadishu.... Extra flights to CT.... Libreville... Some areas of Europe.... Simple they make business sense and will turn in a profit fast... NYC doesn't... Setting up Mogadishu hasn't been a walk in the park... But the costs are way manageable... You squeeze the ground handler and tell them you want USD600 for every plane that lands... They will have to give you that... That flight will always have the numbers... lucrative route...Quick turnaround and its back... More money for KQ... possunt quia posse videntur
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hardwood		#11157 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 10:57:09 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		maka wrote: Liv wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy. Il remind you of your sagely words in the near future.... No one denies that business is tough... You need to have skin in the game etc... In the end NYC was and will never be a good route... Never... How come I support Mogadishu.... Extra flights to CT.... Libreville... Some areas of Europe.... Simple they make business sense and will turn in a profit fast... NYC doesn't... Setting up Mogadishu hasn't been a walk in the park... But the costs are way manageable... You squeeze the ground handler and tell them you want USD600 for every plane that lands... They will have to give you that... That flight will always have the numbers... lucrative route...Quick turnaround and its back... More money for KQ... I think mogadishu is a bad idea. Particularly when we are still fighting alshabab and also doing JFK. Mogadishu should wait for another 3 years as we see how things pan out.
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freiks		#11158 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:07:14 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,734		This @Maka, is he the person who asked for cabin crew strike if they are not paid 200$ per hour overtime? coz anakaa na machungu ingine mbaya sana. VITRIOL. maka wrote: Liv wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy. Il remind you of your sagely words in the near future.... No one denies that business is tough... You need to have skin in the game etc... In the end NYC was and will never be a good route... Never... How come I support Mogadishu.... Extra flights to CT.... Libreville... Some areas of Europe.... Simple they make business sense and will turn in a profit fast... NYC doesn't... Setting up Mogadishu hasn't been a walk in the park... But the costs are way manageable... You squeeze the ground handler and tell them you want USD600 for every plane that lands... They will have to give you that... That flight will always have the numbers... lucrative route...Quick turnaround and its back... More money for KQ... Life is an endless adventure
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Liv		#11159 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 12:52:30 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311		hardwood wrote: maka wrote: Liv wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy. Il remind you of your sagely words in the near future.... No one denies that business is tough... You need to have skin in the game etc... In the end NYC was and will never be a good route... Never... How come I support Mogadishu.... Extra flights to CT.... Libreville... Some areas of Europe.... Simple they make business sense and will turn in a profit fast... NYC doesn't... Setting up Mogadishu hasn't been a walk in the park... But the costs are way manageable... You squeeze the ground handler and tell them you want USD600 for every plane that lands... They will have to give you that... That flight will always have the numbers... lucrative route...Quick turnaround and its back... More money for KQ... I think mogadishu is a bad idea. Particularly when we are still fighting alshabab and also doing JFK. Mogadishu should wait for another 3 years as we see how things pan out. I agree KQ shouldn't be in a hurry to start Mogadishu for security reasons. Alshabab can do anything to down a plane.
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maka		#11160 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2018 1:31:32 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		Liv wrote: hardwood wrote: maka wrote: Liv wrote: obiero wrote: lochaz-index wrote: maka wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: Zichi wrote: The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers 90... Whoa! This is way worse than I anticipated. More bailout money down the gutters. 38% load factor is indeed low.. Remember though that traction is developed and isn’t instant. Also remember cargo is in the belly Who are the real businessmen here? Which new business picks up and becomes profitable in days or even months? 38% load is a starting point.... shouldn't we be more concerned about the trend from that point on rather than its size now since the route has just began? Aren't some people here just like the proverbial chicken shouting "the sky is falling" .... Every day at anything? Nothing good happens in kenya? In my view as a long standing shareholder JFK is a good route and KQ should continue marketing it until it becomes profitable. No business is easy. Il remind you of your sagely words in the near future.... No one denies that business is tough... You need to have skin in the game etc... In the end NYC was and will never be a good route... Never... How come I support Mogadishu.... Extra flights to CT.... Libreville... Some areas of Europe.... Simple they make business sense and will turn in a profit fast... NYC doesn't... Setting up Mogadishu hasn't been a walk in the park... But the costs are way manageable... You squeeze the ground handler and tell them you want USD600 for every plane that lands... They will have to give you that... That flight will always have the numbers... lucrative route...Quick turnaround and its back... More money for KQ... I think mogadishu is a bad idea. Particularly when we are still fighting alshabab and also doing JFK. Mogadishu should wait for another 3 years as we see how things pan out. I agree KQ shouldn't be in a hurry to start Mogadishu for security reasons. Alshabab can do anything to down a plane. That has been sorted.... possunt quia posse videntur
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